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Sonia Sotomayor Nominada A La Corte Suprema

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El presidente Obama acaba de nombrar a la jueza niuyorkina Sonia Sotomayor para reemplazar al juez Souter que se retira en Octubre.


Lo unico que demando es que los senadores republicanos le den la misma consideracion y decoro que los senadores democratas tuvieron con el juez Sam Alito hace par de an~os.

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ahh politics as usual........she will be confirmed......los votos estan ahi para ella....al menos que encuentren esqueletos en su patio.


Un buen dia para nuestra raza....ven un negro presidente y una mujer Boricua en la Corte Suprema de la nacion......ni en Europa se ve esto para que despues los acomplejados de aqui NO digan que en Estados Unidos no pueden echar palante ni que los "gringos" nunca nos van a aceptar crap.


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Felictaciones a los boricuas...padres de Sotomayor.....Supreme Court Justice..!!!!!


Me alegro que esta boricua......llegue hasta la corte mas poderosa de EEUU.


Hoy es una gran dia para la gran nacion de Borinken...!!!!

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Is it true she has been overturned 80% of the time at the Court of Appeal?

Is it true she believes in policy-making from the bench?


http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.p...oryId=103772024
"But despite the praise from some of her former clerks, and warm words from some of her Second Circuit colleagues, there are also many reservations about Sotomayor. Over the past few weeks, I've been talking to a range of people who have worked with her, nearly all of them former law clerks for other judges on the Second Circuit or former federal prosecutors in New York. Most are Democrats and all of them want President Obama to appoint a judicial star of the highest intellectual caliber who has the potential to change the direction of the court. Nearly all of them acknowledged that Sotomayor is a presumptive front-runner, but nearly none of them raved about her. They expressed questions about her temperament, her judicial craftsmanship, and most of all, her ability to provide an intellectual counterweight to the conservative justices, as well as a clear liberal alternative."

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Sonia Sotomayor:“court of appeals is where policy is made”

Policy? From the bench? Like you did to the firefighters of New Haven?

No se si tu entiendes lo que implca ese comentario, pero esto la descualifica fulminantemente para jueza de la Corte Suprema.

Tu haz visto la estatua que representa a la ley? Que tiene en los ojos? Si la ley es ciega, Sonia Sotomayor a dado sus opiniones con telescopio y microscopio.

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Parguito...she's the Queen of D.I.V.E.R.S.I.T.Y like you....

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QUOTE(Artaguito @ May 26 2009, 10:22 AM) [snapback]2862107[/snapback]
Is it true she has been overturned 80% of the time at the Court of Appeal?

Is it true she believes in policy-making from the bench?
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.p...oryId=103772024
"But despite the praise from some of her former clerks, and warm words from some of her Second Circuit colleagues, there are also many reservations about Sotomayor. Over the past few weeks, I've been talking to a range of people who have worked with her, nearly all of them former law clerks for other judges on the Second Circuit or former federal prosecutors in New York. Most are Democrats and all of them want President Obama to appoint a judicial star of the highest intellectual caliber who has the potential to change the direction of the court. Nearly all of them acknowledged that Sotomayor is a presumptive front-runner, but nearly none of them raved about her. They expressed questions about her temperament, her judicial craftsmanship, and most of all, her ability to provide an intellectual counterweight to the conservative justices, as well as a clear liberal alternative."





This is from the crowd that said Clarence Thomas was the most qualified judge to be in the Supreme Court...............and the same crowd that brought us Alito.....................ok Arta, you guys have a lot of credibility in this department......hehe!

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Je,je,je,je,je... La van a trotar al "dog & pony show" como la jueza "Latina", lease como Mexicana... Ya veremos las vistas de confirmacion:


http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=...63-04e10199a085

The Case Against Sotomayor
Indictments of Obama's front-runner to replace Souter.

Jeffrey Rosen, The New Republic Published: Monday, May 04, 2009


This is the first in a series of reports by TNR legal affairs editor Jeffrey Rosen about the strengths and weaknesses of the leading candidates on Barack Obama's Supreme Court shortlist.

A judge on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit, Sonia Sotomayor's biography is so compelling that many view her as the presumptive front-runner for Obama's first Supreme Court appointment. She grew up in the South Bronx, the daughter of Puerto Rican parents. Her father, a manual laborer who never attended high school, died a year after she was diagnosed with diabetes at the age of eight. She was raised by her mother, a nurse, and went to Princeton and then Yale Law School. She worked as a New York assistant district attorney and commercial litigator before Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan recommended her as a district court nominee to the first President Bush. She would be the first Hispanic Supreme Court justice, if you don't count Benjamin Cardozo. (She went to Catholic schools and would also be the sixth Catholic justice on the current Supreme Court if she is, in fact, Catholic, which isn't clear from her official biography.) And she has powerful supporters: Last month, the two senators from New York wrote to President Obama in a burst of demographic enthusiasm, urging him to appoint Sotomayor or Ken Salazar.


Sotomayor's former clerks sing her praises as a demanding but thoughtful boss whose personal experiences have given her a commitment to legal fairness. "She is a rule-bound pragmatist--very geared toward determining what the right answer is and what the law dictates, but her general approach is, unsurprisingly, influenced by her unique background," says one former clerk. "She grew up in a situation of disadvantage, and was able, by virtue of the system operating in such a fair way, to accomplish what she did. I think she sees the law as an instrument that can accomplish the same thing for other people, a system that, if administered fairly, can give everyone the fair break they deserve, regardless of who they are."


Her former clerks report that because Sotomayor is divorced and has no children, her clerks become like her extended family--working late with her, visiting her apartment once a month for card games (where she remembers their favorite drinks), and taking a field trip together to the premier of a Harry Potter movie.


But despite the praise from some of her former clerks, and warm words from some of her Second Circuit colleagues, there are also many reservations about Sotomayor. Over the past few weeks, I've been talking to a range of people who have worked with her, nearly all of them former law clerks for other judges on the Second Circuit or former federal prosecutors in New York. Most are Democrats and all of them want President Obama to appoint a judicial star of the highest intellectual caliber who has the potential to change the direction of the court. Nearly all of them acknowledged that Sotomayor is a presumptive front-runner, but nearly none of them raved about her. They expressed questions about her temperament, her judicial craftsmanship, and most of all, her ability to provide an intellectual counterweight to the conservative justices, as well as a clear liberal alternative.


The most consistent concern was that Sotomayor, although an able lawyer, was "not that smart and kind of a bully on the bench," as one former Second Circuit clerk for another judge put it. "She has an inflated opinion of herself, and is domineering during oral arguments, but her questions aren't penetrating and don't get to the heart of the issue." (During one argument, an elderly judicial colleague is said to have leaned over and said, "Will you please stop talking and let them talk?") Second Circuit judge Jose Cabranes, who would later become her colleague, put this point more charitably in a 1995 interview with The New York Times: "She is not intimidated or overwhelmed by the eminence or power or prestige of any party, or indeed of the media."


Her opinions, although competent, are viewed by former prosecutors as not especially clean or tight, and sometimes miss the forest for the trees. It's customary, for example, for Second Circuit judges to circulate their draft opinions to invite a robust exchange of views. Sotomayor, several former clerks complained, rankled her colleagues by sending long memos that didn't distinguish between substantive and trivial points, with petty editing suggestions--fixing typos and the like--rather than focusing on the core analytical issues.


Some former clerks and prosecutors expressed concerns about her command of technical legal details: In 2001, for example, a conservative colleague, Ralph Winter, included an unusual footnote in a case suggesting that an earlier opinion by Sotomayor might have inadvertently misstated the law in a way that misled litigants. The most controversial case in which Sotomayor participated is Ricci v. DeStefano, the explosive case involving affirmative action in the New Haven fire department, which is now being reviewed by the Supreme Court. A panel including Sotomayor ruled against the firefighters in a perfunctory unpublished opinion. This provoked Judge Cabranes, a fellow Clinton appointee, to object to the panel's opinion that contained "no reference whatsoever to the constitutional issues at the core of this case." (The extent of Sotomayor's involvement in the opinion itself is not publicly known.)


Not all the former clerks for other judges I talked to were skeptical about Sotomayor. "I know the word on the street is that she's not the brainiest of people, but I didn't have that experience," said one former clerk for another judge. "She's an incredibly impressive person, she's not shy or apologetic about who she is, and that's great." This supporter praised Sotomayor for not being a wilting violet. "She commands attention, she's clearly in charge, she speaks her mind, she's funny, she's voluble, and she has ownership over the role in a very positive way," she said. "She's a fine Second Circuit judge--maybe not the smartest ever, but how often are Supreme Court nominees the smartest ever?"


I haven't read enough of Sotomayor's opinions to have a confident sense of them, nor have I talked to enough of Sotomayor's detractors and supporters, to get a fully balanced picture of her strengths. It's possible that the former clerks and former prosecutors I talked to have an incomplete picture of her abilities. But they're not motivated by sour grapes or by ideological disagreement--they'd like the most intellectually powerful and politically effective liberal justice possible. And they think that Sotomayor, although personally and professionally impressive, may not meet that demanding standard. Given the stakes, the president should obviously satisfy himself that he has a complete picture before taking a gamble.



Jeffrey Rosen is the legal affairs editor at The New Republic.

Edited by charlie319

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QUOTE(lexuswestcoast @ May 26 2009, 08:43 AM) [snapback]2862111[/snapback]
This is from the crowd that said Clarence Thomas was the most qualified judge to be in the Supreme Court...............and the same crowd that brought us Alito.....................ok Arta, you guys have a lot of credibility in this department......hehe!


.......and Judge Scalito ....errrrrr .. Scalia.... Nothing like Alito and his pal Scalito to leave a heavy odor of garlic hanging around in the High Court.... Edited by Pachin

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CITA(lexuswestcoast @ May 26 2009, 12:43 PM) [snapback]2862111[/snapback]
This is from the crowd that said Clarence Thomas was the most qualified judge to be in the Supreme Court...............and the same crowd that brought us Alito.....................ok Arta, you guys have a lot of credibility in this department......hehe!



Bueno, hace rato que esta claro que a Arta cuando sus "lideres" le ofrecen Kool-aid, el pide que le llenen el thermos . . . hehehe!

Anyway, yo como no conozco a la tipa esa pues no opino sobre su aptitud . . . el que simplemente sea puertorriqueña (que, by the way, en mi opinion ella no lo es) no le gana mi apoyo automatico . . . so, ya veremos que sale sobre ella . . . 2cents.gif Edited by Inegron

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CITA(Inegron @ May 26 2009, 04:54 PM) [snapback]2862135[/snapback]
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Anyway, yo como no conozco a la tipa esa pues no opino sobre su aptitud . . . el que simplemente sea puertorriqueña (que, by the way, en mi opinion ella no lo es) no le gana mi apoyo automatico . . . so, ya veremos que sale sobre ella . . . 2cents.gif




Sotomayaor no es ninguna tipa...es una dama.

Ella NO es PR...pero si es BORICUA>>>!!!! culturamente........


PRs son los que le lamben las peras a los espanoles...!!!!!!!!

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CITA(LAX @ May 26 2009, 05:12 PM) [snapback]2862139[/snapback]
Sotomayaor no es ninguna tipa...es una dama.

Ella NO es PR...pero si es BORICUA>>>!!!! culturamente........
PRs son los que le lamben las peras a los espanoles...!!!!!!!!


Y a los que le lamben las peras a todo el que se designe como "boricua", como se les dice? hehehe!

Tu la conoces? Si la conces, pues good for you, para ti es una dama . . . para mi que no la conozco es una tipa, y una tipa fea con cojones . . hehehe!

Boricua culturalmente? De nuevo te pregunto si la conoces, pq que si no la conoces lo unico que puedes decir con seguridad es que es de padres puertorriqueños, nada mas . . . el monton de "boricuas" niuyorrican que conozco que nada que ver tienen con la cultura de PR . . .

Ahora, si la conoces y sabes que es boricua de cultura, pues ok . . .

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Senores....el nombramiento de Sotomayor favorece a todos los boricuas....
Demuestra que con disciplina y estudio se puede alcanzar el exito.
Demuestra que ya no hay excusas para progresar.
Demuestra que los latinos son iguales o mejores que cualquiera.
Demuestra que al latino hay que respetarlo.
Demuestra que el latino no es menos.
La Sonia aparte de raices boricuas es inteligente y con la
experiencia necesaria, ella esta al mismo nivel de conocimientos legales
que cualquiera.


Mr Negron...al llamala fea, tipa, con kjones...usted confirma que desgraciadamente
todavia existen muchos latinos que necesitan educacion y aprender lo que respeto
al projimo sigifica. Que lastima...quizas deberia imitar a la Jueza Sotomayor.

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Bueno, yo no conozco mucho de Sotomayor. Estoy igual que INegron, hay que leer sus opiniones y argumentos y su biografia antes de opinar de un lado o otro sobre sus cualidades.

Ahora, estoy completamente segura que ella va ser mas inteligente que la elegida por Bushito...jaja....la Harriet si era una brutita....lambeojo de primera...jaja!!

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CITA(Mobutu Sese @ May 26 2009, 05:28 PM) [snapback]2862145[/snapback]
Senores....el nombramiento de Sotomayor favorece a todos los boricuas....
Demuestra que con disciplina y estudio se puede alcanzar el exito.
Demuestra que ya no hay excusas para progresar.
Demuestra que los latinos son iguales o mejores que cualquiera.
Demuestra que al latino hay que respetarlo.
Demuestra que el latino no es menos.
La Sonia aparte de raices boricuas es inteligente y con la
experiencia necesaria, ella esta al mismo nivel de conocimientos legales
que cualquiera.
Mr Negron...al llamala fea, tipa, con kjones...usted confirma que desgraciadamente
todavia existen muchos latinos que necesitan educacion y aprender lo que respeto
al projimo sigifica. Que lastima...quizas deberia imitar a la Jueza Sotomayor.


Bah, lo de "fea concojones" lo dije por joder . .por bromear . . . pero es verdad! chillpill.gif

Sorry, Mobutu, pero el respeto mio no se gana simplemente por ser boricua . . . tampoco soy de los que se llenan la boca cada vez que algun puertorriqueño obtiene algo fuera de lo normal. Esa mujer nadie ayer sabia quien carajo era y ya hoy, todavia sin saber un carajo quien es o de lo que ha logrado y como, la estan poniendo como la hostia cubierta de chocolate. Y quien sabe, quizas de verdad es una hostia de chocolate . . . pero todavia no sabemos, o al menos yo no se.

Fijate que si esa mujer fuera de Minesota nadie aqui se la estaria mamando como estan ahora. Y todo porque? Pues porque es puertorriqueña y ha logrado hechar pa'lante. O sea, lo que estan insinuando es que los puertorriqueños son tan mierda que cuando uno logra distinguirse hay que rapidito ordenar el catering, cerrar las calles, prender la machinas, tirar fuegos artificiales, y a celebrar to'el mundo!! hehehe!

Yo solo respeto a personas de las cuales conozco sus logros y me consta que los han alcanzado por esfuerzo propio (sean "boricuas", chinas, o de donde sean); de la misma forma solo me siento orgulloso de lo que yo mismo o mis amistades logran; estarse enorgullesiendo (asi se escribe eso?) de los logros de desconocidos me parece no solo inapropiado, si no tambien de gente mediocre.

Sobre lo demas, pues, no hay que demostrar que con disciplina y esfuerzo se logra el exito, eso ya lo debe saber todo el mundo, y los que no lo sepan nada les hace que una mujer por alla en los "niuyores" se los demuestre.

Al que los logros de esa mujer le demuestre que "no hay excusas" para progresar, es porque era un acomplejado que hacia precisamente eso, dando excusas para no progresar.

Eso de que "los latinos son iguales o mejores que cualquiera", que "hay que respetarlos", o que "no es menos" tambien me parece comentarios de acomplejados. Latinos los hay de todas clases, hay muchos brillantes y otros muchos bastante imbeciles. El ser latino no define tu valor, tampoco define respeto.

Y si esa mujer esta al mismo nivel de conocimiento legal que cualquiera (lo cual no dudo, pq siempre mira que hay abogados brutos por ahi, hehehe!), pues bravo por ella, pero ni tu, ni yo sabemos suficiente de ella para estarle tirando cumplidos y alabanzas.

Claro, eso es lo que pienso yo . . . si a ti los logros de esa mujer te hacen sentir superior, pues good for you! Edited by Inegron

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La nominacion de Harriet Myers fue una tremenda estupidez y hasta en los Talk Shows conservativos no podian creer esa nominacion.

El problema que tuvo Clarence Thomas es que era negro y conservador... y eso es kriptonita para los liberales (ya que ellos quieren que las minorias que votan por ellos se crean que ellos solo pueden subir a base del liberalismo). Lo mismo le paso a Alberto Gonzalez (que en verdad salio una batata) y a otro juez conservador que los democratas lo destruyeron.

Alito y el Chief Justice Roberts fueron buenos choices de Bush.


A la Jueza Sotomayor (que se le debe todo el respeto que ella se merece) le han revirado 4 de las 5 decisiones que hizo que subieron al Supremo, no muy buen record que digamos. Hay muchos hasta expertos juristas democratas que dicen que ella no es un buen choice, pero es 'custom-made' para Obama. La ironia es que ella triunfo en su carrera por su esfuerzo, su inteligencia, y el sacrificio de su madre y no por programas liberales de Affirmative Action o de Welfare.


Eso si, aunque le encuentren un cadaver en su nevera, ella sera confirmada.

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1) Bueno, yo no conosco tampoco a Obama personalmente y los demas politicos en Estados Unidos y Puerto Rico. I mean, vi en persona a Cuchin, Baltazar, LMM , Ferre, Caballo, Melo y Rosello en persona en los 70's y 80's....I guess I know them...jeje



2) Hay que definir que es Boricua para ti INegron. Ella viene de padres Boricuas y criada en New York. Yo no sabia que tu dejas de ser Boricua cuando sales de la isla.




3) Everything about her life is interesting, regardless what ideology she is....She came from poverty, lived in the Bronx projects. Her father died when she was 8 yrs. old, her mother took care of her and her brother by herself by working 6 days a week. She graduated from Yale and her brother now is a doctor and she is a federal judge 1 step away from the Supreme Court.......Eso para que veas que si vienes a este pais y te lo propones puedes llegar bien lejos no importa si eres pobre, si vienen con esa mentalidad de complejos no van a progresar



4) De fea???? jejeje..tu haz visto ese grupo de momias en la corte suprema...carajo!!! Ella es una modelo al lado de ellos.......................y si belleza es lo mas importante para la corte suprema pues vamos a poner a Jennifer Lopez, Angelina Jolie y Brad Pitt como jueces.



5) El Papa Bush la puso a ella en la corte federal y Obama la escogio para la corte suprema. Ellos vieron algo de ella para ponerla ahi.......Obama y su gente no toman una decision antes de estudiarlo bien. Despues del aborto y bochorno de Dumbya y Harriet, dudo mucho que Obama y su gente escogieron una pendeja.

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QUOTE(Artaguito @ May 26 2009, 06:18 PM) [snapback]2862169[/snapback]
A la Jueza Sotomayor (que se le debe todo el respeto que ella se merece) le han revirado 4 de las 5 decisiones que hizo que subieron al Supremo, no muy buen record que digamos. Hay muchos hasta expertos juristas democratas que dicen que ella no es un buen choice, pero es 'custom-made' para Obama. La ironia es que ella triunfo en su carrera por su esfuerzo, su inteligencia, y el sacrificio de su madre y no por programas liberales de Affirmative Action o de Welfare.
Eso si, aunque le encuentren un cadaver en su nevera, ella sera confirmada.





1) Eso no significa mucho, la corte suprema es conservadora 5 a 4....tengo que ver esos 4 casos....los jueces en la corte suprema no estan de acuerdo en todos los casos con ellos mismos....dime casos que todos los jueces en la corte suprema estaban de acuerdo 9-0....no son muchos.........te pregunto si fuera una corte suprema liberal cuantos de esos 4 casos de ella reviran?



2) Bush Sr. la puso a ella en la corte federal...........los conservadores no pueden hablar mucho.



3) Abortion

In Center for Reproductive Law and Policy v. Bush, Sotomayor upheld the Bush administration's implementation of the Mexico City Policy which requires foreign organizations receiving U.S. funds to "neither perform nor actively promote abortion as a method of family planning in other nations". Sotomayor held that the policy did not constitute a violation of equal protection, as the government "is free to favor the anti-abortion position over the pro-choice position, and can do so with public funds".


So aqui los conservadores no se pueden quejar.



4) First Amendment rights

In Pappas v. Giuliani,Sotomayor dissented from her colleagues’ ruling that the NYPD could terminate an employee from his desk job who sent racist materials through the mail. Sotomayor argued that the First Amendment protected speech by the employee “away from the office, on [his] own time,” even if that speech was “offensive, hateful, and insulting," and that therefore the employee's First Amendment claim should have gone to trial rather than being dismissed on summary judgment.

In Dow Jones v. Department of Justice,[47] Sotomayor sided with the Wall Street Journal in its efforts to obtain and publish a photocopy of the suicide note of former White House Counsel Vince Foster. Sotomayor ruled that the public had "a substantial interest" in viewing the note and enjoined the Justice Department from blocking its release.


Otra vez, los conservadores no se pueden quejar de ella.





Yo no se que rayos se estan quejando de ella.....en la radio conservadora la estan llamando una liberal radical.....jejeje......si los republicanos quieren limpiar su imagen, esta no es una pelea que se tienen que meter,. no van a ganar.....van a salir con una peor imagen. Edited by lexuswestcoast

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QUOTE(LAX @ May 26 2009, 05:12 PM) [snapback]2862139[/snapback]
Sotomayaor no es ninguna tipa...es una dama.

Ella NO es PR...pero si es BORICUA>>>!!!! culturamente........
PRs son los que le lamben las peras a los espanoles...!!!!!!!!

Sotomayor.......... ese apellido es espanol, Lax


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Latinos los hay de todas clases, hay muchos brillantes y otros muchos bastante imbeciles.
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QUOTE from 'lexuswestcoast'
1) Bueno, yo no conosco tampoco a Obama personalmente y los demas politicos en Estados Unidos y Puerto Rico. I mean, vi en persona a Cuchin, Baltazar, LMM , Ferre, Caballo, Melo y Rosello en persona en los 70's y 80's....I guess I know them...jeje

Y quien esta hablando de conocer personalmente? No hay que conocer personalmente a una persona para conocerla, solo hay que conocer lo que hay hecho . . .

QUOTE from 'lexuswestcoast'
2) Hay que definir que es Boricua para ti INegron. Ella viene de padres Boricuas y criada en New York. Yo no sabia que tu dejas de ser Boricua cuando sales de la isla.

Ok, para mi boricua es criado en PR . . . no criado por los niuyores y que nunca ha vivido en PR . . .pero claro, esa es mi definicion

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3) Everything about her life is interesting, regardless what ideology she is....She came from poverty, lived in the Bronx projects. Her father died when she was 8 yrs. old, her mother took care of her and her brother by herself by working 6 days a week. She graduated from Yale and her brother now is a doctor and she is a federal judge 1 step away from the Supreme Court.......Eso para que veas que si vienes a este pais y te lo propones puedes llegar bien lejos no importa si eres pobre, si vienen con esa mentalidad de complejos no van a progresar


De nuevo, no estaba esperando verla a ella para saber eso . . .


QUOTE from 'lexuswestcoast'
De fea???? jejeje..tu haz visto ese grupo de momias en la corte suprema...carajo!!! Ella es una modelo al lado de ellos.......................y si belleza es lo mas importante para la corte suprema pues vamos a poner a Jennifer Lopez, Angelina Jolie y Brad Pitt como jueces.

Hey, la fealdad no es cuestion de compañia. . . mil feos son igual de feos juntos que separados . . hehehe!

QUOTE from 'lexuswestcoast'
5) El Papa Bush la puso a ella en la corte federal y Obama la escogio para la corte suprema. Ellos vieron algo de ella para ponerla ahi.......Obama y su gente no toman una decision antes de estudiarlo bien. Despues del aborto y bochorno de Dumbya y Harriet, dudo mucho que Obama y su gente escogieron una pendeja.


Estoy de acuerdo . . pero yo soy de los que todo lo cojo con pinzas . . .


CITA(lexuswestcoast @ May 26 2009, 08:45 PM) [snapback]2862172[/snapback]
Yo no se que rayos se estan quejando de ella.....en la radio conservadora la estan llamando una liberal radical.....jejeje......si los republicanos quieren limpiar su imagen, esta no es una pelea que se tienen que meter,. no van a ganar.....van a salir con una peor imagen.



Dude, pero tu no estas al tanto de las neuvas movidas republicanas?!

Esos fanaticos estan ahroa diciendoq ue perdieron las elecciones por no fueron conservadores suficiente!!! Imaginate, que no fueron suficientemente conservadores!!!!

Segun ellos la solucion es moverse todavia mas hacia el radicalismo de derecha . . .

le dicen a Obama socialista, y lo que ellos quieren es facismo . . .hehehe!!!! icon_loser.gif

Los republicanos ya perdieron la chaveta . . .

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