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Do You Want President Obama To Fail?

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Before you answer that question, answer this one: As a liberal, did you want George W. Bush to fail as president?


I want President Obama to succeed as lawyer, husband and father. I even want him to succeed as leader of the black community and as a great example of triumph for all minorities.


But as president of the United States of America, I want Barack Obama TO FAIL MISERABLY.

His socialist policies are going to fundamentally change the country for the worse. They go against the core principles of our nation. His foreign policy will weaken our standard in the World. The World will accept our apologies and welcome us back among the righteous as they plunge the knife in our backs.

I want him to fail as president. That's all.

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WEPAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.

I do want him to do good after all he is the president.

However his socialist policies are questioned by lot of people in special the military. Edited by Jibaro

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I want him to be shown to have been born in Kenya...

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CITA(Artaguito @ Jun 9 2009, 05:54 AM) [snapback]2863774[/snapback]
Before you answer that question, answer this one: As a liberal, did you want George W. Bush to fail as president?
I want President Obama to succeed as lawyer, husband and father. I even want him to succeed as leader of the black community and as a great example of triumph for all minorities.
But as president of the United States of America, I want Barack Obama TO FAIL MISERABLY.

His socialist policies are going to fundamentally change the country for the worse. They go against the core principles of our nation. His foreign policy will weaken our standard in the World. The World will accept our apologies and welcome us back among the righteous as they plunge the knife in our backs.

I want him to fail as president. That's all.



So, basically what you are saying is that you want the whole nation to suffer just to prove that you are right?

Ok, you are an idiot and a coward!! loser.gif

I might disagree with whoever is president, but I ALWAYS want him (or her, if it ever comes to that) to suceed, because, ultimately I want to live happy and free, even if the right way to acchieve that is the way I thought was wrong.

You see, I am not afraid of being proven wrong. Actually, when I thought that Bush was going to ruin the nation I was really afraid of been proven right. Edited by Inegron

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bueno es la misma mierda en Puerto Rico..........mucha gente quiere que Fortuno fracase en sus planes de cortar el gobierno........eso no quiere decir que odian a Puerto Rico.

Si tu crees en tu corazon que los "policies" de Obama van hacer mas daños que bien pues es perfectamente bien que quieras que el fracase.


Yo se que mucha gente cuando estaba Bush en poder querian que el fracasara por sus "policies"



Eso esta perfectamente bien en una democracia y gente con diferentes opiniones.



Creeme que EEUU ha pasado por muchas peores cosas y va a sobrevivir.

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QUOTE(Inegron @ Jun 9 2009, 07:27 AM) [snapback]2863809[/snapback]
So, basically what you are saying is that you want the whole nation to suffer just to prove that you are right?

Ok, you are an idiot and a coward!! loser.gif

I might disagree with whoever is president, but I ALWAYS want him (or her, if it ever comes to that) to suceed, because, ultimately I want to live happy and free, even if the right way to acchieve that is the way I thought was wrong.

You see, I am not afraid of being proven wrong. Actually, when I thought that Bush was going to ruin the nation I was really afraid of been proven right.

Most of Hush Oxycontin Bimbaugh's dittoheads are ignorant traitors and cowards...

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I love Mitchell............she is the best...and the real thing.!!!

Artaguito esta como Capicu..sin brujula...perdios en su narcisismo.

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CITA(lexuswestcoast @ Jun 9 2009, 11:55 AM) [snapback]2863821[/snapback]
bueno es la misma mierda en Puerto Rico..........mucha gente quiere que Fortuno fracase en sus planes de cortar el gobierno........eso no quiere decir que odian a Puerto Rico.

Si tu crees en tu corazon que los "policies" de Obama van hacer mas daños que bien pues es perfectamente bien que quieras que el fracase.
Yo se que mucha gente cuando estaba Bush en poder querian que el fracasara por sus "policies"
Eso esta perfectamente bien en una democracia y gente con diferentes opiniones.
Creeme que EEUU ha pasado por muchas peores cosas y va a sobrevivir.



Los policies de Obama tienen la intencion de mejorar la economia, fortalecer nuestras relaciones exteriores y devolver a los EU a una posicion de respeto mundial. . . so, pedir el fracaso de "sus policies" es desear que todos esos objetivos no se logren, y eso sencillamente es de locos acomplejados que prefieren que todo el mundo se joda antes de admitir que se equivocaron.

Aun asi, tu puedes querer que sus policies fracasen (digo, si de verdad creen que son la alternativa equivocada), en una democracia como la nuestra cualquiera puede querer y desear lo que quiera, pero eso no le quita lo idiota y cobarde, digo, en mi opinion. Edited by Inegron

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nadie esta parando a Obama ni a los democratas que estan en poder hacer y pasar lo que les den la gana.

Todas las intenciones de todo presidente en la historia es de mejorar la economia y fortalecer nuestras relaciones exteriores. Eso no es el punto. Es si tu estas de acuerdo o no de la manera y los gastos de sus "policies".


Si tu crees que sus policies son malos pues no esta malo que tu quieras que el fracase despues que des alternativas y el porque.

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I think that the ones that are going to fail miserably are the morons who root for Bush and the GOP (which indeed FAILED ABOMINABLY).

Hay que ser bien cara de lata......

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Yo realmente deseo que a Obama le vaya muy bien. Que levante la moral de los Estados Unidos porque fuera la opinión de la gente sobre los EEUU por los pasados años ha estado a nivel de letrina.

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QUOTE(Inegron @ Jun 9 2009, 10:27 AM) [snapback]2863809[/snapback]
So, basically what you are saying is that you want the whole nation to suffer just to prove that you are right?

Ok, you are an idiot and a coward!! loser.gif

I might disagree with whoever is president, but I ALWAYS want him (or her, if it ever comes to that) to suceed, because, ultimately I want to live happy and free, even if the right way to acchieve that is the way I thought was wrong.

You see, I am not afraid of being proven wrong. Actually, when I thought that Bush was going to ruin the nation I was really afraid of been proven right.




So, basically what you are saying is that you want the whole nation to suffer just to prove that you are right?



Negative, if I'm proven right and Barack Obama succeed in implementing all the socialist measures he plans to implement, then all of us lose! He is a ideaologue that formed his beliefs under the tutorship of leftists, from communist Frank Marshall Davis to attending socialist speeches at Columbia U., to teaching himself the principles of 'Rules For Radicals' by communist Saul Alinski.



"I might disagree with whoever is president, but I ALWAYS want him (or her, if it ever comes to that) to suceed, because, ultimately I want to live happy and free, even if the right way to acchieve that is the way I thought was wrong."

Hugo Chavez Frias has been able to nationalize most of the oil industry, he has driven most free press into a corner, closed down TV stations because they opposed him, has a civilian force of thugs that resemble the Nazi brown shirts, and is exporting his communist ideas to his neighbors. Is it wrong for venezuelans to wish he failed? Are these venezuelans "idiots and cowards" like you say?
I know comparing Obama to another socialist that has already been in power for 10 years is a stretch and that the guarantees of our Constitution protect us from radicals like him, but I'm still safe to draw a parallel between the two. If Obama gets his way, you will have more people on the dole, more taxes, and more governmental control over our lives. Everything he has done from day one follows that line so far, and I don't think that nothing short of election defeats will stop his drive to the far left.

Inegron, your statement makes no sense. You think a leader might be wrong, but you're going to support him anyway in his decisions because he might end up being correct and you the one that's wrong?
That completely goes against the principles of democracy and freedom of thought and speech, brother. You're telling me you will put your head down, swallow what they feed you, and even though you don't like it you will ask for more in the hopes he knows better than you. What a perfect citizen you are for the leadership!



Look around this world we made
Equality our stock in trade
Come and join the brotherhood of man
Oh what a nice contented world
Let the banners be unfurled
Hold the red star proudly high in hand


Rush (2112) Edited by Artaguito

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QUOTE(melruca @ Jun 9 2009, 02:12 PM) [snapback]2863843[/snapback]
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Yo realmente deseo que a Obama le vaya muy bien. Que levante la moral de los Estados Unidos porque fuera la opinión de la gente sobre los EEUU por los pasados años ha estado a nivel de letrina.




Si el nivel de letrina significa que mantengamos el nivel de vida superior que llevamos, que liberemos a aquellos pueblos que estan opresos como Iraq y Afganistan, y que los engreidos dictadores del mundo nos tengan miedo, entonces dame una letrina mas honda de esa "opinion internacional".

See if I care. As long as I do what I know is correct, according to my experiences and what my parents taught me, I don't give a rat's ass what others think. I elevate this to an international level, the role of the (still) most powerful nation in the World is not to be Miss Congeniality.

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Pues mientras quede duda de si es o no es:


Me voy a morir de la risa si resulta que no esta debidamente calificado para ejercer el cargo...

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Todos los lideres que llegan al poder llegan con un ideal de mejorar el pais. Yo no dudo en lo absoluto que Obama tiene una idea de lo que es "mejor" para la nacion americana.

El problema es que esa version de Obama incluye en su mayoria medidas socialistas que reducen las libertades del individuo. Yo quiero ser libre para ganarme mi dinero de acuerdo a mi esfuerzo, no que el gobierno determine mi valor y mi salario. Yo quiero escoger mi seguro de salud, no que el gobierno me provea de un servicio de salud mediocre y lento. Yo quiero en mi retiro poder disfrutar el dinero que yo he acumulado en mi vida de la manera que a mi me de la regalada gana y no depender de migajas de un Seguro Social.

Yo quiero que la gente triunfe y fracase por sus propios esfuerzos, y que el rol del gobierno sea una simple tarpa de rescate y no una hamaca de dormir para quellos que caigan. Barack Obama, ya que el "sabe" que sus manera de gobernar con socialismo es mejor que lo que hay ahora, esta planeando garantizar reelecciones de democratas socialistas por la proxima generacion al poner la fuerza del gobierno a crear 'Hamaqueros Profesionales' que solidamente voten por esas medidas.
Yo quiero que eso fracase miserablemente.

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Artaguito dice:
Negative, if I'm proven right and Barack Obama succeed in implementing all the socialist measures he plans to implement, then all of us lose! He is a ideaologue that formed his beliefs under the tutorship of leftists, from communist Frank Marshall Davis to attending socialist speeches at Columbia U., to teaching himself the principles of 'Rules For Radicals' by communist Saul Alinski.


You are intent on holding Obamas policies as socialist, ok. However, you can not possibly argue that what Obama wants is to improve the US world standing and quality of life for the common american. Right? At least we can agree on that.

So, even if Obama's policies are socialist policies, if they end up improving the life of american then that is a good thing, right? Because if you want everybody to be worse just so that you can get your wish that Obama fails, like I said, you are an idiot and a coward!




Artaguito dice:
Hugo Chavez Frias has been able to nationalize most of the oil industry, he has driven most free press into a corner, closed down TV stations because they opposed him, has a civilian force of thugs that resemble the Nazi brown shirts, and is exporting his communist ideas to his neighbors. Is it wrong for venezuelans to wish he failed? Are these venezuelans "idiots and cowards" like you say?
I know comparing Obama to another socialist that has already been in power for 10 years is a stretch and that the guarantees of our Constitution protect us from radicals like him, but I'm still safe to draw a [i]parallel
between the two. If Obama gets his way, you will have more people on the dole, more taxes, and more governmental control over our lives. Everything he has done from day one follows that line so far, and I don't think that nothing short of election defeats will stop his drive to the far left.[/i]

Again you are straying from the issue. Obama's intention is to make everything better, if he fails then it is because he did not reach his goal (again, improving the situation). So, if the policies of Obama end up hurting the economy that's not Obama winning, that's Obama failing!!

Artaguito dice:
Inegron, your statement makes no sense. You think a leader might be wrong, but you're going to support him anyway in his decisions because he might end up being correct and you the one that's wrong?
That completely goes against the principles of democracy and freedom of thought and speech, brother. You're telling me you will put your head down, swallow what they feed you, and even though you don't like it you will ask for more in the hopes he knows better than you. What a perfect citizen you are for the leadership!


My statement makes no sense? Maybe you need to read it again!

I did not say I would support a leader right or wrong; I say I would wished him to be successfull. I was certainly not supporting GW Bush and his fascists policies (its funny how stupid people would rather be screwed by a fascist rule, than live happily under a socialist rule), I did not supported him, but I really wished that he would eventually succeed and I be proven wrong. I do not have to say that never happenned.

Maybe that is your confusion and problem, that you think that you have to either love your leader or hate him, that you have to either follow blindly or opposed furriously, that you have to either fuck or be fucked.

Well, you don't . . . Edited by Inegron

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CITA(charlie319 @ Jun 9 2009, 04:21 PM) [snapback]2863860[/snapback]
Pues mientras quede duda de si es o no es:


Me voy a morir de la risa si resulta que no esta debidamente calificado para ejercer el cargo...




seria muy interesante eso ocurra.....pero improbable.

el presidente va hacer todo los posible por dejar su marca....

y la de sus ancestros negros...!!!!!

Paz e IGUALDAD>>!!!!!!!!!!

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CITA(lexuswestcoast @ Jun 9 2009, 01:45 PM) [snapback]2863833[/snapback]
nadie esta parando a Obama ni a los democratas que estan en poder hacer y pasar lo que les den la gana.

Todas las intenciones de todo presidente en la historia es de mejorar la economia y fortalecer nuestras relaciones exteriores. Eso no es el punto. Es si tu estas de acuerdo o no de la manera y los gastos de sus "policies".
Si tu crees que sus policies son malos pues no esta malo que tu quieras que el fracase despues que des alternativas y el porque.


Que ese "no es el punto"? Sorry, pero ese es EXACTAMENTE el punto!!

Tu mismo dijiste que todo presidente quiere mejorar la economia y fortalecer las relaciones con el resto del mundo, so, explicame bien que es lo que tu quieres, ¿que Obama NO mejore la economia y que NO fortalezca las relaciones con el resto del mundo?

Por que si la respuesta es "SI" a esa pregunta, estonces eres otro imbecil y cobarde . . .


CITA(charlie319 @ Jun 9 2009, 04:21 PM) [snapback]2863860[/snapback]
Pues mientras quede duda de si es o no es:


Me voy a morir de la risa si resulta que no esta debidamente calificado para ejercer el cargo...



Ese argumento es tan ridiculo que el que se lo crea se lleva el premio de moron del siglo.

Tu no crees que con toda la maquinaria del GOP y los recursos de un "sitting president", si eso fuera verdad hace rato que hubiera salido a la luz publica?

Please!!! hysterical.gif

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Artaguito eso es una diferencia ENORME filosofica la que acabas de decir. Los derechos del individuo vs. los derechos de los muchos que no tienen 'el american lifestyle'. Hay MILLONES de seres humanos en este pais bien mal economicamente....y muchos no por su falta de etica de trabajo sino como funciona la economia mundial.

Mi filosofia personal? Yo pienso que el socialismo es necesario---si no tienes fondos de los impuestos para el SSI, SS, pensiones gubernamentales, retiros, etc. y cortas todo y lo dejas a la deriva? QUE PASA? Lo que paso....un chorro de malotes y bien EGOISTAS individualistas sucios quedandose con todas las ganancias para sus propios bolsillos y dejando a las grandes empresas hundirse....para que el contribuyente (la vasta mayoria no son millonarios) pagando el precio de sus decisiones INDIVIDUALISTAS....jodidas.

Yo no quiero preservar el sistema que produce estos resultados...es un sistema SUCIO y MALISIMO....que se queme en la hoguera de sistemas FRACASADOS...no sirve en NADA. Si hay 37 millones de seres humanos viviendo en la pobreza extrema en este pais el SUENO americano pendejo no les funciona.

Para ti si....por que? Por que te metistes en una parte de la economia que esta repleta de billetes (la defensa y la milicia) y la milicia FUNCIONA CON UN SOCIALISMO FERREO....te cubre tus gastos de mudanza, de alimento, de medicina, etc. Si no fuera eso cierto muchos no le verian la tostada a quedarse en la milicia y sacrificar tanto el tiempo familiar....si le dijeran....'vete matate en unas guerras pero tu esposa y tus hijos se quedaran sin un centavo de cobertura de nada....tambien, tus gastos medicos son tuyos, tu comida, tu albergue, tu avion, todo saldra de tu salario malo....militar.HAZLO por amor nada mas. Y no te vamos a pagar la universidad tampoco....jodete INDIVIDUALMENTE solamente sin apoyo del gobierno para nada." Cuantos ingresarian a la milicia bajo esas condiciones? Sin embargo asi estan muchos trabajadores en los sectores privados...y que trabajan fuera de la milicia. Sin embargo los integrantes de la milicia del pasado (USAF) como Artaguito han tenido EXITO enorme con un sistema netamente SOCIALISTA....como lo es la milicia....sin embargo ODIAN el socialismo para los otros sectores de la sociedad que los necesita como la salud, la educacion y crear albergues para los mayores de edad y los impedidos....NO ENTIENDO esa contradiccion estupidisima...que alguien me lo explique...jaja.

Mira como esta la gente en los EEUU....con su estilo de vida BIEN JODIDO....



The Poverty Epidemic in America, by the Numbers

April 24, 2007

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America is the richest nation in the world, yet 37 million Americans live below the official poverty line and millions more struggle to get by every month.

The fact that our nation’s leaders allow huge swaths of the country’s population to live in poverty is more than just a gross moral failing. Poverty imposes costs on society in the form of increased crime, broken neighborhoods, and squandered human resources.

Our nation has seen periods in which poverty rates have fallen—when there have been sound policies in place and sufficient political will to combat the problem. But the last six years have seen rises in poverty and inequality.

That’s why the Poverty Task Force of the Center for American Progress will release a report tomorrow detailing the problem and outlining a pragmatic plan to cut poverty in half in the next 10 years.

Here’s a look at poverty in America, by the numbers:


A poverty epidemic

37 million: Number of Americans who live below the official poverty line—12.6 percent of the total population. Millions more struggle to get by.

36.5 million: Population of California, America’s most populous state, according to 2006 U.S. Census Bureau numbers

5 million: Number of Americans who are poor today who weren’t in 2000

8 million: Number of Americans who live in neighborhoods of concentrated poverty where at least 40 percent of residents are poor

1 in 8: Proportion of Americans who now live in poverty

1 in 3: Proportion of Americans who are considered low-income

25: Percentage of all workers who were in jobs for which year-round full-time work would not pay enough to keep a family of four above the poverty threshold


Poor children have little chance at the American Dream

1 in 5: Proportion of children who are poor, or 17.6 percent

42: Percentage of children born in the bottom income quintile who will remain in that quintile as adults

6: Percentage of children born in the bottom income quintile who will reach the top quintile as adults

1: Percentage of children from low-income families who will reach the top five percent of the income distribution

22: Percentage of children from wealthy families who will reach the top five percent of the income distribution

19: Percentage of children in poverty who lack health insurance, compared to 11.2 percent of children above poverty

$500 billion: Persistent childhood poverty’s estimated cost to the nation each year because of lost adult productivity and wages, increased crime, and higher health expenditures

4: Percentage of the nation’s GDP this represents

1.7 million: Number of poor or near-poor youth ages 16 to 24 who were out of school and out of work in 2005.


Rich country, poor people

$19,971: A family of four that makes below this income is considered poor – far below what most people believe a family needs to survive

12.6: Percentage of all Americans who were poor in 2005 using this income standard

90 million: Number of Americans who had incomes below 200 percent of federal poverty thresholds; an annual income of $40,000 for a family of four

30: Percentage of the total American population this represents, or the combined populations of California, Michigan, New York, and Texas

16 million: Number of Americans living in extreme poverty, meaning their incomes are below half the poverty line: less than $9,903 for a family of four or $5,080 for an individual

24 out of 25: America’s ranking among developed nations when measuring how well the countries do on poverty (what share of a country’s population has income below 50 percent of the nation’s median income). Only Mexico has a higher poverty rate than the United States among rich nations

24 out of 24: America’s ranking in a UNICEF report on child well-being in rich nations, when child poverty is measured in relation to 50 percent of median income


Inequality has reached record highs

19 percent: Share of the nation’s income held by the richest 1 percent of Americans, a historic high

3.4 percent: Share of the nation’s income held by the poorest 20 percent of Americans

$5.15: The current federal minimum wage, which is at the lowest level in real terms that it’s been in 50 years

30: Percentage of the average wage that the minimum wage is now. The minimum wage used to be 50 percent of the average wage

$8.40: What the federal minimum wage would be if it were restored to 50 percent of the average wage

$145,500: Amount by which the post-tax income of the top 1 percent rose between 2003 and 2004

$200: Amount by which the post-tax income of those in the bottom fifth rose between 2003 and 2004


The epidemic of poverty is spreading in America, and it’s taking its toll on American families. Inequality is also on the rise, meaning that the nation is moving further away from one of its founding principles: equality of opportunity.

The Center for American Progress’ 12-step plan for cutting poverty in half in the next 10 years will be released tomorrow. It will take time and political will to fight poverty, but if we’re going to protect the common good, it’s a battle we can’t afford to lose.

To speak with our experts on this topic, please contact:

For print and radio, John Neurohr, Deputy Press Secretary
202.481.8182 or jneurohr@americanprogress.org

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202.446.8429 or apurse@americanprogress.org

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Ejemplo de la demagogia de gobierno en accion:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124451592762396883.html
The Media Fall for Phony 'Jobs' Claims
The Obama Numbers Are Pure Fiction.

By WILLIAM MCGURN


Tony Fratto is envious.

Mr. Fratto was a colleague of mine in the Bush administration, and as a senior member of the White House communications shop, he knows just how difficult it can be to deal with a press corps skeptical about presidential economic claims. It now appears, however, that Mr. Fratto's problem was that he simply lacked the magic words -- jobs "saved or created."

"Saved or created" has become the signature phrase for Barack Obama as he describes what his stimulus is doing for American jobs. His latest invocation came yesterday, when the president declared that the stimulus had already saved or created at least 150,000 American jobs -- and announced he was ramping up some of the stimulus spending so he could "save or create" an additional 600,000 jobs this summer. These numbers come in the context of an earlier Obama promise that his recovery plan will "save or create three to four million jobs over the next two years."

The president should 'save or create' more jobs in Cleveland.

Mr. Fratto sees a double standard at play. "We would never have used a formula like 'save or create,'" he tells me. "To begin with, the number is pure fiction -- the administration has no way to measure how many jobs are actually being 'saved.' And if we had tried to use something this flimsy, the press would never have let us get away with it."

Of course, the inability to measure Mr. Obama's jobs formula is part of its attraction. Never mind that no one -- not the Labor Department, not the Treasury, not the Bureau of Labor Statistics -- actually measures "jobs saved." As the New York Times delicately reports, Mr. Obama's jobs claims are "based on macroeconomic estimates, not an actual counting of jobs." Nice work if you can get away with it.

And get away with it he has. However dubious it may be as an economic measure, as a political formula "save or create" allows the president to invoke numbers that convey an illusion of precision. Harvard economist and former Bush economic adviser Greg Mankiw calls it a "non-measurable metric." And on his blog, he acknowledges the political attraction.

"The expression 'create or save,' which has been used regularly by the President and his economic team, is an act of political genius," writes Mr. Mankiw. "You can measure how many jobs are created between two points in time. But there is no way to measure how many jobs are saved. Even if things get much, much worse, the President can say that there would have been 4 million fewer jobs without the stimulus."

Mr. Obama's comments yesterday are a perfect illustration of just such a claim. In the months since Congress approved the stimulus, our economy has lost nearly 1.6 million jobs and unemployment has hit 9.4%. Invoke the magic words, however, and -- presto! -- you have the president claiming he has "saved or created" 150,000 jobs. It all makes for a much nicer spin, and helps you forget this is the same team that only a few months ago promised us that passing the stimulus would prevent unemployment from rising over 8%.

It's not only former Bush staffers such as Messrs. Fratto and Mankiw who have noted the political convenience here. During a March hearing of the Senate Finance Committee, Chairman Max Baucus challenged Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner on the formula.

"You created a situation where you cannot be wrong," said the Montana Democrat. "If the economy loses two million jobs over the next few years, you can say yes, but it would've lost 5.5 million jobs. If we create a million jobs, you can say, well, it would have lost 2.5 million jobs. You've given yourself complete leverage where you cannot be wrong, because you can take any scenario and make yourself look correct."

Now, something's wrong when the president invokes a formula that makes it impossible for him to be wrong and it goes largely unchallenged. It's true that almost any government spending will create some jobs and save others. But as Milton Friedman once pointed out, that doesn't tell you much: The government, after all, can create jobs by hiring people to dig holes and fill them in.

If the "saved or created" formula looks brilliant, it's only because Mr. Obama and his team are not being called on their claims. And don't expect much to change. So long as the news continues to repeat the administration's line that the stimulus has already "saved or created" 150,000 jobs over a time period when the U.S. economy suffered an overall job loss 10 times that number, the White House would be insane to give up a formula that allows them to spin job losses into jobs saved.

"You would think that any self-respecting White House press corps would show some of the same skepticism toward President Obama's jobs claims that they did toward President Bush's tax cuts," says Mr. Fratto. "But I'm still waiting."

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