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Jesika

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Corre por ahí el rumor de que hay varios (bastantes) foristas de Café Boricua buscando casa en Arizona para mudarse. :news-n-coffee:

http://www.facebook.com/1MillionPeopleSayingShameOnArizona

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Por lo menos estoy considerando Arizona para vacacionar ya que ese estado tiene los pantalones de hacer lo que el gobierno federal no se atreve hacer, ni siquiera cuando sus propias leyes lo obligan!

Jesika me puedes dar una resen~a de porque esta ley es injusta?

I mean, hasta ahora todos ustedes dicen que es injusta pero hasta ahora (bueno Mobutu trato infructuosamente) no han podido demostrar como esta ley es injusta con nadie. Supuestamente esta ley es injusta con latinos, pero si yo cojo esa ley exactamente como esta escrita y la aplico en un barrio eslavo en cualquier ciudad grande me produciría arrestos de rusos ilegales en el país.

Es injusto que a alguien que se coma una luz cuando el policia lo pare y huela alcohol le haga una prueba de sobriedad? Es injusto que a un tiradroga lo cogan vendiendo droga, y al bostearlo le encuentren un revolver caliente y le an~adan eso a sus cargos?

Por que entonces es injusto que durante un [b]encuentro legitimo[/b] con oficiales de justicia de Arizona si hay sospecha que el individuo esta rompiendo las leyes de inmigracion del pais, que le chequeen ese estatus? Que eso no es una funcion del estado? No es robar bancos un crimen federal? Deberian los policias estatales dejar que los pillos se escapen ya que el FBI no esta presente para arrestarlos? Edited by Artaguito

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[b]Nuevamente aqui esta el fact sheet de la ley. No creo que ni Ricky Martin ni Shakira leyeron esto antes de abrir sus bocas:[/b]

ARIZONA STATE SENATE
Forty-ninth Legislature, Second Regular Session

FACT SHEET FOR S.B. 1070

immigration; law enforcement; safe neighborhoods

Purpose

Requires officials and agencies of the state and political subdivisions to fully comply with and assist in the enforcement of federal immigration laws and gives county attorneys subpoena power in certain investigations of employers. Establishes crimes involving trespassing by illegal aliens, stopping to hire or soliciting work under specified circumstances, and transporting, harboring or concealing unlawful aliens, and their respective penalties.

Background

Federal law provides that any alien who 1) enters or attempts to enter the U.S. at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, 2) eludes examination by immigration officers, or 3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the U.S. by a willfully false or misleading representation is guilty of improper entry by an alien. For the first commission of the offense, the person is fined, imprisoned up to six months, or both, and for a subsequent offense, is fined, imprisoned up to 2 years, or both (8 U.S.C. § 1325).

The U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) is the primary authority for enforcing immigration laws. ICE was created in March 2003 as an investigative branch of the Department of Homeland Security. ICE was the result of combining the Immigration and Naturalization Service and the U.S. Customs Service.

Current statute defines criminal trespass in the first degree as a person knowingly entering or remaining unlawfully in areas related to residential structures, residential yards, real property subject to a valid mineral claim or lease under certain circumstances, property if the person defaces religious symbols or religious property, or critical public service facilities. Depending on the circumstances, criminal trespass in the first degree provides penalties ranging from a class 1 misdemeanor to a class 6 felony (A.R.S. § 13-1504).

In 2007, Arizona enacted the Legal Arizona Workers Act (LAWA), prohibiting an employer from knowingly or intentionally employing an unauthorized alien and establishing penalties for employers in violation. The U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services office administers the Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements (SAVE) Program. The SAVE Program, together with the Social Security Administration (SSA), administers E-Verify, which allows employers to electronically confirm the employment eligibility of all newly hired employees. LAWA requires all Arizona employers to use E-Verify to verify the employment eligibility of new hires. Proof of verifying the employment authorization of an employee through E-Verify creates a rebuttable presumption that an employer did not intentionally or knowingly employ an unauthorized alien.
The fiscal impact is unknown; however, there may be additional costs associated with criminal prosecution and detention of persons who are accused and convicted of the crimes established in this legislation. Additionally, the addition of new fines associated with this measure may also have an impact.

Provisions

Enforcement

1. Requires a reasonable attempt to be made to determine the immigration status of a person during any legitimate contact made by an official or agency of the state or a county, city, town or political subdivision (political subdivision) if reasonable suspicion exists that the person is an alien who is unlawfully present in the U.S.

2. Requires the person’s immigration status to be verified with the federal government pursuant to federal law.

3. Requires an alien unlawfully present in the U.S. who is convicted of a violation of state or local law to be transferred immediately to the custody of ICE or Customs and Border Protection, on discharge from imprisonment or assessment of any fine that is imposed.

4. Allows a law enforcement agency to securely transport an alien who is unlawfully present in the U.S. and who is in the agency’s custody to:
a) a federal facility in this state or
b) any other point of transfer into federal custody that is outside the jurisdiction of the law enforcement agency.

5. Allows a law enforcement officer, without a warrant, to arrest a person if the officer has probable cause to believe that the person has committed any public offense that makes the person removable from the U.S.

6. Prohibits officials or agencies of the state and political subdivisions from being prevented or restricted from sending, receiving or maintaining an individual’s immigration status information or exchanging that information with any other governmental entity for the following official purposes:
a) determining eligibility for any public benefit, service or license provided by any federal, state, local or other political subdivision of this state;
b) verifying any claim of residence or domicile if that verification is required under state law or a judicial order issued pursuant to a civil or criminal proceeding in the state;
c) confirming a detainee’s identity; and
d) if the person is an alien, determining whether the person is in compliance with federal alien registration laws.

7. Disallows officials or agencies of the state or political subdivisions from adopting or implementing policies that limit immigration enforcement to less than the full extent permitted by federal law, and allows a person to bring an action in superior court to challenge an official or agency that does so.

8. Requires the court, if there is a judicial finding that an entity has committed a violation, to order any of the following:
a) that the plaintiff recover court costs and attorney fees;
b) that the defendant pay a civil penalty of not less than $1,000 and not more than $5,000 for each day that the policy has remained in effect after the filing of the action.

9. Requires the court to collect and remit the civil penalty to the Department of Public Safety (DPS), which must establish a special subaccount for the monies in the account established for the Gang and Immigration Intelligence Team Enforcement Mission (GIITEM) appropriation.

10. Specifies that law enforcement officers are indemnified by their agencies against reasonable costs and expenses, including attorney fees, incurred by the officer in connection with any action, suit or proceeding brought pursuant to this statute to which the officer may be a party by reason of the officer being or having been a member of the law enforcement agency, except in relation to matters in which the officer is adjudged to have acted in bad faith.

Trespassing by Illegal Aliens

11. Specifies that, in addition to any violation of federal law, a person is guilty of trespassing if the person is:
a) present on any public or private land in the state and
b) is not carrying his or her alien registration card or has willfully failed to register.

12. Requires, in the enforcement of this statute, the final determination of an alien’s immigration status to be determined by:
a) a law enforcement officer who is authorized to verify or ascertain an alien’s immigration status or
b) a law enforcement officer or agency communicating with ICE or the U.S. Border Protection.

13. Stipulates that a person is not eligible for suspension or commutation of sentence or release on any basis until the sentence imposed is served.

14. Directs the person to pay jail costs and an additional assessment of at least $500 for the first violation or at least $1,000 for subsequent offenses.

15. Requires the court to collect and remit the assessments to DPS for the special GIITEM subaccount.

16. Specifies that the trespassing statute does not apply to a person who maintains authorization from the federal government to remain in the U.S.

17. Classifies the violation as follows:
a) a class 2 felony if the person commits the violation while in possession of a dangerous drug, precursor chemicals used in the manufacturing of methamphetamine, a deadly weapon or dangerous instrument or property that is used for committing an act of terrorism;
b) a class 4 felony for a second or subsequent offense or if the person, within 60 months before the violation, accepted a voluntary removal from the U.S. or has been deported;
c) a class 1 misdemeanor in all other cases.

Unlawful Stopping and Solicitation of Work

18. Specifies that it is unlawful, if a motor vehicle is stopped on a street, roadway or highway and blocks or impedes the normal movement of traffic:
a) for a motor vehicle occupant to attempt to hire or hire and pick up passengers for work at a different location;
b) for a person to enter the motor vehicle in order to be hired by a motor vehicle occupant and to be transported to work at a different location.

19. Stipulates that it is unlawful for a person who is unlawfully present in the U.S. and who is an unauthorized alien to knowingly apply for work, solicit work in a public place or perform work as an employee or independent contractor in Arizona.

20. Classifies these offenses as class 1 misdemeanors.

21. Defines solicit and unauthorized alien.

Unlawful Transporting

22. Specifies that it is unlawful for a person to do or attempt to do the following if the person knows or recklessly disregards the fact that the alien has come to, has entered or remains in the U.S. in violation of law:
a) transport or move an alien in Arizona in a means of transportation;
b) conceal, harbor or shield an alien from detection in any place in Arizona, including any building or means of transportation.

23. Stipulates it is unlawful to encourage or induce an alien to come to or reside in Arizona if the person knows or recklessly disregards the fact that such coming to, entering or residing in this state is or will be in violation of law.

24. Subjects a means of transportation used in the commission of a violation to mandatory vehicle immobilization or impoundment.

25. Classifies these offenses as class 1 misdemeanors and subjects offenders to fines of at least $1,000, except that a violation that involves 10 or more illegal aliens is a class 6 felony with a fine of at least $1,000 for each alien who is involved.

Investigations of Employers

26. Allows the county attorney, in investigations of employers who are alleged to have knowingly or intentionally hired unauthorized aliens, to take evidence, administer oaths or affirmations, issue subpoenas requiring attendance and testimony of witnesses and cause depositions to be taken.

27. Exempts proceedings held during the course of a confidential investigation from open meeting laws.

28. Stipulates that an employer is not entrapped in an investigation if the employer was predisposed to knowingly or intentionally employ an unauthorized alien and law enforcement officers or their agents merely provided the employer with an opportunity to do so.

29. States that it is not entrapment for law enforcement officers or their agents merely to use a ruse or to conceal their identities.

30. Directs employers to keep verification records of their employees’ work eligibility through E-Verify.

31. Establishes a class 3 felony for failing to:
a) verify employment eligibility through E-Verify or
b) keep records of verifications.

Miscellaneous

32. Specifies that monies in the special GIITEM subaccount are subject to legislative appropriation for distribution for gang and immigration enforcement and for county jail reimbursement costs relating to immigration.

33. Stipulates that the terms of the act regarding immigration have the meanings given to them under federal immigration law.

34. Requires the act to be implemented in a manner consistent with federal laws regulating immigration, protecting the civil rights of all persons and respecting the privileges and immunities of U.S. citizens.

35. Contains intent and severability clauses.

36. Titles the legislation the “Support Our Law Enforcement and Safe Neighborhoods Act.”

37. Makes conforming changes.

38. Becomes effective on the general effective date.

Prepared by Senate Research
January 15, 2010

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"el que por gusto muere que vaya al infierno a quejarse. ..."

Allá Arizona con sus leyes.

Lo siento, pero a mí plin. Lo mismo digo de los demás países del mundo, aunque debiéramos ser solidarios con el país que sufre.

A mí me importa Puerto Rico.

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¡Qué diferente sería America si sus habitantes autóctonos hubieran tenido leyes de inmigración! ¿verdad?

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[quote name='Magie' date='30 April 2010 - 10:00 AM' timestamp='1272639637' post='2895918']
"el que por gusto muere que vaya al infierno a quejarse. ..."

Allá Arizona con sus leyes.

Lo siento, pero a mí plin. Lo mismo digo de los demás países del mundo, aunque debiéramos ser solidarios con el país que sufre.

A mí me importa Puerto Rico.
[/quote]



Magie, en este issue a Puerto Rico lo que lo salva es algo llamado 'El Canal de la Mona'. Considerando la floja manera que el gobierno federal (de administraciones republicanas y demócratas) han respetado y ejecutado sus propias leyes de inmigración, si en vez de un canal de agua fuera una frontera de tierra ya en Puerto Rico habría una guerra con mas de un millón de dominicanos invasores.

[quote name='Magie' date='30 April 2010 - 10:08 AM' timestamp='1272640095' post='2895920']
¡Qué diferente sería America si sus habitantes autóctonos hubieran tenido leyes de inmigración! ¿verdad?
[/quote]


Comentario con el simple propósito de levantar un poco de simpatía hacia los presentes invasores. Da la casualidad que esos invasores tienen en sus países leyes de inmigración que son hasta mas fuertes y estrictas que las de nuestro gobierno federal y de Arizona.

Es mas, tu comentario me da mas razón a mi y a la validez de estas leyes de inmigración. Si los Tainos hubiesen tenido leyes de inmigración (y el poderío para enforzarlas), Puerto Rico no se les hubiese llenado de espan~oles que les arruinaron sus vidas y su cultura. Edited by Artaguito

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la ley no es injusta sino la forma en que se aplique,esto dara motivo solo para chavar mas a los mejicanos,lamentablemente tengan o no papeles.

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[quote name='Artaguito' date='30 April 2010 - 11:17 AM' timestamp='1272640667' post='2895921']
Si los Tainos hubiesen tenido leyes de inmigración (y el poderío para enforzarlas), Puerto Rico no se les hubiese llenado de espan~oles que les arruinaron sus vidas y su cultura.
[/quote]

:yahoo: ¡Y con el calor que hace yo estaría mejor que así

:jugs: :thong:

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[quote name='AL CAPONE' date='30 April 2010 - 10:31 AM' timestamp='1272641509' post='2895926']
la ley no es injusta sino la forma en que se aplique,esto dara motivo solo para chavar mas a los mejicanos,lamentablemente tengan o no papeles.
[/quote]




Cualquier ley que se aplique incorrectamente va a perjudicar a alguien. Es eso razon para no tener leyes? No hay ya mecanismos constitucionales para apelar a injusticias y castigar a los abusadores?

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A ver cuantos de esos mequetrefes son de Arizona... Lo mas probable es que serian los primeros en chillar si se les muda al lado una barraca de "Roofers" con musica grupera 24/7

Capone, los unicos mexianos que se pueden joder con la ley de Arizona son los ilegales.

[color="#FF0000"]Magie, on 30 April 2010 - 10:08 AM, said:

¡Qué diferente sería America si sus habitantes autóctonos hubieran tenido leyes de inmigración! ¿verdad?[/color]

Maggie: La verdad es que no decepcionas...

[size="2"][b]The Jamestown massacre of 1622[/b][/size] involved the killing of about 347 British colonists in Virginia, [b]about a quarter of the population of the state at that time[/b]. During the Second Anglo-Powhatan War, Opechancanough became leader of the native American "Indian" Powhatan Confederacy, upon the death of his half-brother, Wahunsonacock. Opechancanough, having recovered from the defeat of his earlier command of the Pamunkey warriors at the end of the First Anglo-Powhatan War, planned the destruction of the English settlers and, after the "murder" of his adviser, Nemattanew, by an Englishman; Opechancanough launched a campaign of surprise attacks upon at least thirty-one separate British settlements and plantations. [b]On the first day, March 22, 1622, Opechancanough's warriors had succeeded in massacring nearly one-third of the white settlers along the river[/b]. The English town of Henrico was destroyed, along with its college for native American children. At Martin's Hundred, over half of the English settlers were killed, and only two houses and a part of a church were left standing. The War lasted for ten years. In 1624, Opechancanough led eight hundred warriors of the powerful Powhattan Confederacy in a two-day battle, but could not defeat the British. Peace was declared in 1632.

[b]Schenectady Massacre of 1690[/b][size="2"][/size], a party of over 200 French and Sault and Algonquin Indian raiders set out from Montreal to attack English outposts to the south. [b]The intent was to retaliate for a series of devastating Iroquois raids that the English had provided weapons and ammunition for. Isolated northern and western settlements were the targets[/b]. Late on February 8th, when a scouting party reported that no one was guarding the stockade at Schenectady, a decision was made to attack at once. [u]Despite the bitter cold, a bloody midnight massacre ensued. Houses and barns were torched, and men, women and children slaughtered. Many were in night clothing and had not even had time to arm themselves.[/u] By the morning of February 9, the thriving community lay in shambles, more than 60 buildings burnt, and residents dead, taken prisoner, or fled as refugees to the safety of the fort at Albany. [b]The dead included 38 men, 10 women and 12 children. The raiders departed with prisoners and 50 horses[/b]. It was a brutal attack on a defenceless community, and the community took many years to recover.

[b]The Deerfield massacre[/b][size="2"][/size] occurred during Queen Anne's War on February 29, 1704, when joint French and Native American forces under the command of Jean-Baptiste Hertel de Rouville attacked the English (predominantly puritan) settlement at Deerfield, Massachusetts at dawn, [u]razing the town and killing fifty-six colonists[/u]. De Rouville's forces consisted of forty-seven Québécois and two-hundred Native Americans, mostly Abenaki, Kanienkehaka and Wyandot, accompanied by a few Pocumtuck. [b]Of the colonists killed, twenty-two were men, nine were women and twenty-five were children.[/b] One hundred and nine residents, including the bitches and niggaz who had survived the attack, were taken captive and forced on a months-long three hundred-mile trek to Quebec in harsh winter conditions. Many died along the way. Some managed to make their way back to New England but others remained in French and Native communities, such as Wendake, Quebec for the rest of their lives

[b]The Devil's Hole Massacre[/b][size="2"][/size], was fought on September 14, 1763 between a detachment of the British 18th Regiment of Foot and a local Seneca tribe during Pontiac's Rebellion.

The battle began as the result of an ambush of a passing wagon train, from Fort Schlosser on route to Fort Niagara, while passing through Devil's Hole. An area known for its difficult terrain, one point of the trail in particular was a heavily wooded area and a deep ravine on either side, ideal for an ambush, as [u]a force between 300-500 Seneca Indians attacked the supply train[/u]. The defenders led by Porter Master John Stedman, caught completely off guard, were defenseless as animals broke off in a stampede or were driven into the ravine with their drivers. [b]Fighting in close quarters made musket fire almost useless and after the battle, only three (including Stedman) of the twenty five members had managed to escape to Fort Schlosser for help. [/b]

Camped nearby at Lewiston, a detachment of the British 18th Regiment from Fort Grey heard the reports of battle nearby and immediately rushed off to reinforce the wagon train. However, [b]the British were ambushed in turn and routed, reportedly suffering 81 soldiers killed and 8 wounded before withdrawing[/b] (although other sources claim the entire rescue party were killed).

Y puedo seguir...

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Claro Charlie. Los ingleses tenian dificultad. Tambien los ferrocarrilistas y los soldados con los Lakota de los "Black Hills" eso es porque antes habian 60 millones de bisontes del cual era la proteina principal de muchas de las tribus de los grandes llanos de los Estados Unidos. De 60 millones hasta 700 nada mas. Ahora estan a 200,000 animales y los venden a precios elevados por su carne rica en proteina y minerales y mas baja en grasa que la carne de res de vaca.

No pudieron ser mas veloces (capacidad inferior en cuanto a velocidad y mobilidad y conocer el terreno) y ganar militarmente en contra de los nomadas de los llanos estadounidense no pudieron los soldados del gobierno no pudieron con ellos. Muy dificiles de dominar esos indigenas---asi que mataron de un modo feisimo el bisonte (su fuente de alimento principal). Son tan y tan respetuosos de los derechos indigenas. Si no puedes ganar en la batalla de macho a macho, y quien es el mas eficaz escapandose del enemigo, entonces tienes que utilizar la tactica de inmoralidad. Eso si es ser bien macho. Tirar bombas encima de millones de gente sin discriminar, o simplemente matas MILLONES de animales para que se pudran al aire libre y despediciar la vida de un modo irrespetuoso y ofensivo. Y asi ganas el 'poder'. No me impresiona esa gente inmoral. Alla tu. Adimirando los sucios de la historia humana. Yo no.

Sigue defendiendo esos ilegales ingleses Charlie. Que la moralidad no esta presente en la historia de los EEUU en cuanto a quien tiene derecho a que. Es la historia del mas sucio y mas mentiroso y mas immoral quien gana la guerra. La gente con una pizca de conciencia usualmente salen perdiendo en esas obscenidades que se denominan 'victoriosos en la guerra' contra mujeres, hombre y ninos, y la tierra y los animales que la ocupan por MILES de anos antes que ellos. Ellos son los duenos de verdad. Ellos son los que robaron la cosa 'fair and square'. We stole it fair and square from the dirty redskins. And the dirty Mexicans and the Dirty whoever is in the way of us keeping the power and the money and the resources and the land. A bunch of immoral murdering scum are there. And those who defend them with their stupid beaurocratic distortions of history. I only laugh at jokers who try to come up with cheap ways of defending the indefensible. :biggrin2:

Yo no tengo ideas romanticas de lo que es vivir en una tribu indigena en las epocas pasadas. Pero tampoco hay que pensar que esos europeos inmigrantes eran los 'justos' y los 'civilizados' porque nunca lo fueron. En la historia siempre hay dos lados de una historia. Y la realidad es que si vives muy acatado a lo que da la naturaleza y no te alejas de eso....no caes en el engano, la mentira, y la falsedad que existe con los de Goldman Sachs, y los demas sucios pensando en como joder a los demas para ellos enriquecerse nada mas.

Los sucios existen en la cultura dominante. No trates de decir que no. Con los indigenas habia todo. Pero, tenian reglas. Y hasta los peores enemigos indigenas no se pasaban matando y extinguiendose los animales para 'ganar'. Solo se le ocurre a la gente que no tienen sentido de lo que son en terminos de respetar su mortalidad y su sentido de vida temporera y respetar las fuerzas naturales mas poderosas que ellos. Esa es una cultura....sin sentido de valores humanos. Y eso si es un peligro. Edited by FearlessBox

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[color="#FF0000"][i]No pudieran ser mas veloces y ganar militarmente en contra de los nomadas de los llanos. Muy dificiles de dominar esos indigenas---asi que mataron de un modo feisimo el bisonte (su fuente de alimento principal). Son tan y tan respetuosos de los derechos indigenas. [/i][/color]


Pero para ti es aceptable que gente de otros paises entren ilegalmente a Arizona, dejen un cagadero en su ruta de entrada, le roben la identidad y el Seguro Social a los ciudadanos, cometan crimenes de drogas y secuestros, y abusen de los sistemas sociales y de salud.

Los ilegales le estan matando los 'bisontes' a los ciudadanos de Arizona y la ley que va a preservar esos bisontes para ti es de alguna manera injusta.

:idontno: Edited by Artaguito

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Allí no vivo ni aunque me paguen.

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Veo que salio la socialista de te, canape y "brunch" a responder... Yo pensaba que me tenia en "ignore", pero por lo visto esa era aun otra promesa de campaña que no pudo cumplir...

Al bisonte no lo mataron tanto por ser "proteina" del indigena, sino por que estorbaba el paso de las locomotoras. No se si has tenido la oportunidad de pararte al lado de un ejemplar adulto, pero eso le pondria una soberbia abolladura a cualquier tren, y posiblemente podria descarrilarlo.

En cuanto a la calidad de proteina, hay muchas opciones desde el bisonte hasta el avestruz. La historia es el relato de lo que fue. Arizona ha tenido la audacia de escribir el futuro de el asunto del masivo escalamiento de extranjeros y el robo de empleos y divisas que son exportados como las ganancias de crimenes que son. Que me puedes decir de las guerras que "ganaron" tus socialistas? Es Putin tu idolo actual?

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Hay un secuestro en la ciudad de Phoenix cada 35 minutos. Es la convierte en la segunda en el mundo, siendo el Distrito Federal de Mexico la numero 1.

Aunque la poblacion ilegal en EEUU es como 6%, en las carceles federales son el 30%. Tal vez este issue le de ventaja politica al Partido Democrata, pero esta jodiendo al pais.

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[quote name='Format /Y C:' date='30 April 2010 - 11:47 AM' timestamp='1272646036' post='2895941']
Allí no vivo ni aunque me paguen.
[/quote]


No te apures Format, cuando Texas pase una ley similar te vamos a mandar a todos los ilegales a Virginia para que te encarges de ellos.

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Yo no creo en idioteces de que si alguien parece un 'ilegal' debe de ser ilegal. Que es un ilegal? Como se visten, que color de tez tienen. No se sabe en lugares como Arizona donde mi hijo nacio. Mi hijo nacio a una LEGAL. Una mujer afro americana drogadicta causando muchos gastos al estado de Arizona por su cafreria y sus adicciones. Pero un chorro de gente latina que trabajan poniendo techos en un calor infernal del desierto son los que estan causando el lio grande en Arizona.

Todos estos 'lios' son mas complicados que la gente quiere creer. Todo tiene que ver con la economia. Si la economia funcionara en Mexico y en Centro America no hubiera necesidad de tanta patrullaje en la frontera. Pero como la economia anda mal en Mexico y en Mexico los pudientes no lidean con los narcotraficantes y los secuestradores y los mafiosos como Dios manda....y los Gringos son unos idiotas queriendo que la gente ilegal se identifique facilmente y no sean productos del tercer mundo donde se desarrolla muchas destrezas de supervivencia o te jodes rapidamente....tenemos el lio presente.

Yo soy socialista internacional. Eso significa que tengo intereses con todos los trabajadores en todas las naciones que no estan recibiendo salarios decentes, beneficios medicos etc. Y creo que la gente de clase trabajadora tienen intereses comunes en muchos paises. No tengo lealtad a los nacionalismos limitantes y muy estupidos y que crean una especie de fascismo illogico con el tiempo. Asi que ni intenten tratar de decir que apoyo los nacionalismos de nadie por que no lo voy hacer. Para mi el futuro de la humanidad radica en la cooperacion positiva y respetuosa entre muchos paises. No me gusta "I am an American and they are Mexicans. This is mine and that is theirs and we are better and richer and superior, and they are lower and inferior. They are poor cuz they were born to lose and we were born to win." Eso no tiene verdad y no tiene sentido para mi. Asi que ni lo intenten.

El crimen se fomenta en lugares donde hay muchisima injusticia, pobreza, falta de educacion, y falta de moralidad de todas clases y donde las diferencias se acaban a balazo, trancaso y matanza. Y eso no es mi filosofia. Mi filosofia es ponte a trabajar para cambio duradero. Eliminar la pobreza, la falta de salud, de educacion, de oportunidades, y que la gente sepa como bregar con los conflictos de intereses sin matarse. Eso es mi filosofia. No la de los primitivos. Que para mi un primitivo son los que creen que son duenos del mundo y los superiores y creen en defender sus intereses con ideas de nacionalismo craso y violencia en contra de los 'forasteros' y los 'extranos' y los 'distintos'. En otras palabras los que se pasan creyendo en Bubbaville, USA. No soy de Bubbaville.

En su casa conocen los de Bubbaville. Los ilegales estan jodiendo nuestro pais dicen...y otras sandeces de esa indole. Los que joden su pais Bubbas en Texas y bubbas en Kansas no son los ilegales con sus mentalidades corruptas del tercer mundo en Mexico o otros paises. Son los puercos que rigen el capitalismo internacional en su propio pais. Los que conocen que la economia va a sufrir por la crisis de las hipotecas en los EEUU pero que LES VALE MADRE. Por que son egoistas haciendo apuestas con los 'derivatives' y vendiendo porqueria mala a los inversionistas estupidos que creen en el sistema. Esos son los enemigos del nacionalismo gringo. Pero como ustedes se pasan en cosas pequenas. Alla estan preocupados por la invasion de los pobres en Arizona. Son criminales...esos tipos...ilegales. Cuanto puede robarse un mexicano sin dinero antes de que las autoridades lo metan preso o lo deporten? BILLONES de dolares verdad? No. Pero los que son los ladrones mas crasos y descarados ustedes les da rabia pero no hacen nada para limitarlos o pararlos el caballito. Son idiotas. :53silbando: Edited by FearlessBox

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JE,je,je,je... Dejame ver, asumiendo que alguien fuera tan inconsciete de otorgarte autoridad, si detienes a un vehiculo, digamos una minivan, y esta contiene 16 pasajeros y un conductor que no solo carece de licencia de conducir, sino que ninguno de los pasajeros tiene licencia o cualquier otro tipo de documentacion, o habla el vernaculo anglosajon, no crees tu que eso constituiria sospecha razonable como para preguntarles si, como dicen las leyes mexicanas, "pueden acreditar su legal estancia en el Pais"?

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Es la responsabilidad de los gobiernos de Mexico y en Centro America hacer que sus economias funcionen y proveer a SUS CIUDADANOS de sustento en la forma de empleo. El lio actual se debe inicialmente a la ley migratoria de 1965 y se complico con la amnistia de 1986. No es la responsabilidad de un pais el bienestar de la poblacion de otros que se han infiltrado ilegalmente a su territorio. Es mas, creo que las leyes de todos esos paises son claras en cuanto a la disposicion de los extranjeros indocumentados...

Yo no te voy a discutir lo que tu eres, o dejas de ser... Creo que eso ha quedado mas que bien establecido ya por tu propia mano y boca. Que bueno que los mexicanos no resienten a los gringos.... Imaginate que de otro modo tu idilico esquema utopico se desplomaria.

Veo como estas fomentando el cambio en esos paises tercermundistas y oprimidos desde la falda de la opulencia capitalista... Ciertamente te rinde gran credibilidad a tus argucias y demas trabalenguas...

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[quote name='Artaguito' date='30 April 2010 - 01:00 PM' timestamp='1272646837' post='2895947']
No te apures Format, cuando Texas pase una ley similar te vamos a mandar a todos los ilegales a Virginia para que te encarges de ellos.
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En TX tampoco viviría. :hysterical:

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Texas se distingue por ser segundo en hispanos y ser hogar del Presidente mas idiota de USA...orale manito....a comer tacos y enchiladas... :53silbando:


[b]The percentage of the Hispanic-origin population that lived in California or Texas in 2008. California was home to 13.5 million Hispanics, and [color="#FF0000"]Texas was home to 8.9 million.[/color][/b]

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