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Para Esto Quieren Armas En Sus Casas?

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[quote name='Soto' date='14 July 2010 - 08:58 PM' timestamp='1279155503' post='2903091']
Alomejor no se redusca la crminalidad pero de seguro reduce los accidentes fatales ocurrido por armas en sus hogares.

Al capone, cierto hay muchas armas ilegales pero eso no es justificacion para ponerselas facil en las manos legalmente.
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pero lamentablemente la ciudadania se esta armando debido a la inerencia de el gobierno de detener la criminalidad.

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Tu solucion es hacer super dificil a los cuidadanos responsables tener un arma mientras los criminales las consiguen facilito y sin registracion en la calle.
Bueno solucion.....tenemos un futuro brillante!

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Cuantas veces has usando tu arma en defensa propia?

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Yo tuve que usar la escopeta una vez para matar a un ca$5#n topo que me estaba jodiendo la grama....

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Hasta ahora nunca.....cuantas veces tu haz usado tu seguro de vida? Espero nunca usarla en defensa pero la tengo para eso y deporte.

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Al capone, esa no es la situacion en todos los estados. No podemos defender el derecho a portar arma por un alza en la criminalidad.

Cientos de familias sufren muertes de familiares anualmente por culpa de un arma. Inclusive en Puerto Rico una persona mato su amigo por acidente (lo velaron en una ambulancia) ese es el tercer incidente donde hubo una muerte por culpa de un arma desde que comenze este debate.

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[quote name='Soto' date='14 July 2010 - 06:35 PM' timestamp='1279150557' post='2903066']
The point is that she killed and died with a gun. That is the fact! If there was no gun, the possibility of this happening is very little. Guns make the odds of fatalities much higher.

Say no to guns!
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[color="#FF0000"][i]If there was no gun, the possibility of this happening is very little.[/i][/color]


This is like saying that if there are no spoons the possibility of Rosie O'Donnell being a fat cow is very little.


You are in complete liberty of not having guns or spoons in your home, however since there is no constitutional right to keep and bear spoons, you could prohibit possession of spoons, but you can't prohibit the possession of firearms.


Did you know that a well-recognized sign that a dictatorship is securing power is the confiscation of privately-owned firearms?



Mima and Soto, YOU moved to the United States knowing about the Second Ammendment of the Bill of Rights. You can always move to another country that if attacked the criminal is 100% sure you're not carrying a weapon, and when seconds count to protect your family the police will arrive in mere minutes.

(Or back ot PR with it's draconian firearms rules that don't apply to the criminals on the street)



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[size="4"][font="Franklin Gothic Medium"][color="#000080"][i]the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed[/i][/color][/font][/size] Edited by Artaguito

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Es un derecho y ya... No todo el mundo tiene armas de fuego para defenderse de un peligro. A mi me gusta coleccionarlas y usarlas como deporte en el campo de tiro al blanco. Me gusta porque encuentro que es un deporte donde se necesita usar mucho la concentración. Las tengo aseguradas en su armario y cada una tiene un seguro en el gatillo. El que tiene armas tiene que saber como usarlas y guardarlas seguramente. Si no quieres tener un arma...pues no compres una y ya. No se pongan como los talibanes religiosos empecinados contra el aborto.

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[quote name='Pachin' date='14 July 2010 - 07:14 PM' timestamp='1279156490' post='2903097']
Yo tuve que usar la escopeta una vez para matar a un ca$5#n topo que me estaba jodiendo la grama....
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jajaja, yo sabia que tu tenias algo de Bill Murray de Caddyshack.


[img]http://farm1.static.flickr.com/202/471842339_0f9c4b859b.jpg[/img]

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Hey, don't mess with the gopher!

[YouTube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krVXRCcr2M4[/YouTube]

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Yo quisiera saber si hay estadisticas de cuantas personas en los ultimos años han usado su arma (registrada) para asesinar un intruso, ladron en su casa y cuantos la han usado para matar a su esposa, esposo, hijos, vecinos, etc. :53silbando:

Anoche estaba viendo un programa en ID sobre unos vecinos en California donde uno asesino al otro y su esposa porque compartian la entrada....increible!!! Ya no hay tolerancia en este mundo.

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Okay read and weep:



[b]Guns are used 2.5 million times a year in self-defense. Law-abiding citizens use guns to defend themselves against criminals as many as 2.5 million times every year—or about 6,850 times a day. This means that each year, firearms are used more than 80 times more often to protect the lives of honest citizens than to take lives


Researchers concede that guns are used 1.5 million times annually for self-defense. According to the Clinton Justice Department, there are as many as 1.5 million cases of self-defense with a firearm every year. The National Institute of Justice published this figure in 1997 as part of "Guns in America"—a study which was authored by noted anti-gun criminologists Philip Cook and Jens Ludwig.


Concealed carry laws have reduced murder and crime rates in the states that have enacted them. According to a comprehensive study which reviewed crime statistics in every county in the United States from 1977 to 1992, states which passed concealed carry laws reduced their rate of murder by 8.5%, rape by 5%, aggravated assault by 7% and robbery by 3%.4


Anti-gun journal pronounces the failure of the Brady law. One of the nation’s leading anti-gun medical publications, the Journal of the American Medical Association, found that the Brady registration law has failed to reduce murder rates. In August 2000, JAMA reported that states implementing waiting periods and background checks did "not [experience] reductions in homicide rates or overall suicide rates.


Twice as many children are killed playing football in school than are murdered by guns. Despite what media coverage might seem to indicate, there are more deaths related to high school football than guns. In a recent three year period, twice as many football players died from hits to the head, heat stroke, etc. (45), as compared with students who were murdered by firearms (22) during that same time period


CDC admits there is no evidence that gun control reduces crime. The Centers for Disease Control (CDC) has long been criticized for propagating questionable studies which gun control organizations have used in defense of their cause. But after analyzing 51 studies in 2003, the CDC concluded that the "evidence was insufficient to determine the effectiveness of any of these [firearms] laws.


Washington, D.C. has, perhaps, the most restrictive gun control laws in the country, and yet it is frequently the Murder Capital of the nation. In the 25 years following the DC gun ban, its murder rate INCREASED 51 percent, even while the national rate DECREASED 36 percent.


City Murder rates: 25 years after DC's ban
Washington, DC 46.4 per 100,00050
Arlington, VA 2.1 per 100,00051
(Arlington is just across the river from D.C.)
Total VA metropolitan area 6.1 per 100,00052



para Soto:



Firearms statistics

A. General Death Rates


Cause
Number

Heart disease 710,760
Cancer 553,091
Stroke (cerebrovascular disease) 167,661
Chronic lower respiratory diseases 122,009
Doctor's negligence 98,329
Influenza and pneumonia 65,313
Motor-vehicle 43,354
Suicides (all kinds, including firearms) 29,350
Firearms (Total)* 28,163

Suicides 16,586
Homicides 10,801
Accidents 776
total: 28,163 (firearms)


Accidents (six causes)

Falls 13,322
Poison (solid, liquid) 12,757
Choking on food or other object 4,313
Drowning 3,402
Fires, flames 3,377
Firearms 776



Homicides (all instruments) 16,765




B. Children Accidental Death Rates (Ages 0-14)


Cause Number (Ages 0-14) Number (Ages 0-4)
Motor-vehicle 2,591 / 819
Drowning 943 / 568
Fires and flames 593 / 327
Mechanical suffocation 601 / 508
Ingestion of food, object* 169 / 169
Firearms 86 / 19

Source: Figures are for 2000. National Safety Council, Injury Facts: 2003 Edition, at 10-11, 129.
* The "Ingestion of food, object" category is underreported in the first column since the NSC did not include death rates for "5 to 14 Years." [/b]



Tengo mas stats pero creo que ya matamos el mito de Soto y algunos que quieren exajerar la situacion para quitar un derecho de mas de 200 anos en la constitucion. Edited by lexuswestcoast

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[quote name='lexuswestcoast' date='14 July 2010 - 09:17 PM' timestamp='1279156658' post='2903098']
Hasta ahora nunca.....cuantas veces tu haz usado tu seguro de vida? Espero nunca usarla en defensa pero la tengo para eso y deporte.
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My odds of using it are lower than yours.

Its easy to copy paste information of the pro gun web sites. Dame noticias realies. Edited by Soto

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[quote name='Soto' date='15 July 2010 - 02:26 PM' timestamp='1279225572' post='2903248']
My odds of using it are lower than yours.

Its easy to copy paste information of the pro gun web sites. Dame noticias realies.
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they are stats.....either you prove the stats wrong or you dont have a case.


[quote]B. Children Accidental Death Rates (Ages 0-14)


Cause Number (Ages 0-14) Number (Ages 0-4)
Motor-vehicle 2,591 / 819
Drowning 943 / 568
Fires and flames 593 / 327
Mechanical suffocation 601 / 508
Ingestion of food, object* 169 / 169
Firearms 86 / 19[/quote]


mas niños mueren de accidentes por carros, se ahogan, por fuego, por comida y otras cosas que por accidentes de armas............................Soto eso es la realidad. Edited by lexuswestcoast

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[quote name='lexuswestcoast' date='15 July 2010 - 04:35 PM' timestamp='1279226150' post='2903250']
they are stats.....either you prove the stats wrong or you dont have a case.





mas niños mueren de accidentes por carros, se ahogan, por fuego, por comida y otras cosas que por accidentes de armas............................Soto eso es la realidad.
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La realidad es que nada de tu lista esta creado para matar como lo es un arma de fuego.

Segundo, yo no uso argumentos de paginas pro guns, las noticias que se han posteado aqui son reales, no estadisticas o estudios. No son noticias sacada de paginas que estan encontra de las armas de fuego.

PREVENCION!

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[quote name='Soto' date='15 July 2010 - 02:40 PM' timestamp='1279226437' post='2903252']
La realidad es que nada de tu lista esta creado para matar como lo es un arma de fuego.

Segundo, yo no uso argumentos de paginas pro guns, las noticias que se han posteado aqui son reales, no estadisticas o estudios. No son noticias sacada de paginas que estan encontra de las armas de fuego.

PREVENCION!
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prevencion...exactoooo!!!! tenemos accidentes de autos, comida, ahogar, fuego, deportes y otras cosas..la solucion no es prohibir como tu quieres......................como dijo nuestro amigo Pachin, tu puedes tener armas en la casa y tener la seguridad que accidentes no pasen....la solucion no es BAN las armas como tu quieres.


eso es tu argumento que no tiene patas. Edited by lexuswestcoast

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[quote name='lexuswestcoast' date='15 July 2010 - 04:49 PM' timestamp='1279226994' post='2903255']
prevencion...exactoooo!!!! tenemos accidentes de autos, comida, ahogar, fuego, deportes y otras cosas..la solucion no es prohibir como tu quieres......................como dijo nuestro amigo Pachin, tu puedes tener armas en la casa y tener la seguridad que accidentes no pasen....la solucion no es BAN las armas como tu quieres.


eso es tu argumento que no tiene patas.
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Un carro no esta diseñado para matar como lo es un arma de fuego.

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[quote name='Soto' date='15 July 2010 - 02:54 PM' timestamp='1279227265' post='2903257']
Un carro no esta diseñado para matar como lo es un arma de fuego.
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pero mata muchooooooooo mas que un arma......cual es tu punto?..............la mente no fue creada para matar pero mata....................un arma de fuego esta diseñado para muchas cosas deporte, cazar y defensa ( tu crees que la carne que tu comes cae del cielo)..................el arma no mata, es la persona usando el arma...un carro no mata pero es la persona manejando que causa la muerte.

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Observaciones:
1. Don't have a gun in your house if you have children.
2. If you get a gun, learn to use it and take a safety course prior to bringing a gun home.
3. Better to have a gun and not need it, than to need a gun and not having one.
4. Guns don't kill, people driving while using their cell phones do.
5. If you shoot somebody, don't shoot to kill, shoot so you can survive.
6. Do criminals get a permit to carry guns ( exception being Puerto Rico)? Edited by Mobutu Sese

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En vez de tener una sociedad de avanzada es al reves vamos para atras, parecemos prehistoricos.

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