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charlie319

Holder En La Mirilla Por Trafico De Armas Ilegal A Narcos

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Parece que el AG Holder fue agarrado en la pifia pues el DOJ parece haber estado enterado en sus mas altas esferas del projecto "Gunrunner" del BATF que esencialmente vendio miles de armas a traficantes sabiendo que estas terminarian en la narco-guerra en Corruptitlan (Mexico).

[b][size="4"][color="#FF0000"][url="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/05/04/friction-grows-lawmakers-doj-project-gunrunner-probe/"]Friction Grows Between Lawmakers and DOJ Over 'Project Gunrunner' Probe[/url][/color][/size][/b]
By William Lajeunesse

Published May 04, 2011
| FoxNews.com

It started with one whistleblower, but now involves dozens of investigators, has created a standoff between the Department of Justice and lawmakers and threatens Mexico’s diplomatic relationship with the United States.

Friction is growing over the probe into the failed “[i][b]Project Gunrunner[/b]” program -- run by the Justice Department's Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms that intended to stop the flow of guns to criminals in Mexico[/i]. [u]Whistleblowers claim the bureau actually encouraged the illegal sale of firearms to known criminals, then allowed those guns to be smuggled to Mexico[/u] and tracked.

On Tuesday, Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) went after Attorney General Eric Holder for refusing to answer questions and subpoenas for [b]documents that implicate who approved the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives project that allowed guns purchased illegally in U.S. to be smuggled into Mexico on behalf of the drug cartels with the knowledge and consent of the ATF[/b].

[u]"We're not looking at straw buyers, Mr. Attorney General, we're looking at you," Issa said. "We're looking at you, we're looking at your key people who knew or should've known about this."[/u]

Holder shot back.

[u]"The notion that somehow or another that this Justice Department is responsible for those deaths, that assertion is offensive," Holder said, referring to the death of American Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry.[/u]

"What if it's accurate, Mr. Attorney General?" Issa responded. "What am I going to tell Agent Terry's mother about how he died at the hands of a gun that was videotaped as it was being sold to a straw purchaser fully expecting it to end up in the hands of drug cartels?"

Holder responded. "We'll have to see exactly what happened with regard to the guns that are an issue there."

Also on Tuesday, in a letter to the attorney general signed by both Issa and Sen.Charles Grassley (R-Iowa), the Congressmen say they are “disappointed that you do not appear to be taking this issue seriously enough”. Grassley, in a handwritten postscript, tells Holder he is being ‘ill-served’ by staff who are not telling him the whole story.

[b]The theatre on the Hill is an outgrowth of an ongoing investigation that dates back to allegations two months ago from ATF agent John Dodson, a lone voice and career agent who told Fox News in March that the [u]tactic of letting guns "walk" was approved by his supervisors in the Phoenix ATF office over the objections of several agents[/u].[/b]

"How many people have to die?" he said. "We don't know where those guns are gonna end up. I've been here since the beginning. Tell me I didn't do the things that I did. Tell me you didn't order me to do the things I did. Tell me it didn't happen."

[b]Dodson was motivated in part by the death of Terry. At the scene of his shooting, police found two AK-47s that were purchased in the U.S. and distributed to drug cartels. These guns were traced to a gun shop that was working with the ATF Project Gunrunner and the Operation Fast and Furious program.[/b]

[u]The gun shops say they [b]were encouraged by ATF to sell the guns to suspected straw buyers, an act that is illegal[/b]. ATF agents assured the owners the sales were fine and part of an investigation. Unknown to the owners however, [b]the guns were allegedly allowed to flow to Mexico into cartel hands[/b].[/u]

The ATF hoped to trace the guns and ultimately make arrests of “bigger fish” in the trafficking network. That apparently never happened. [b]Investigators believe more than 1,800 weapons, including assault rifles, made their way into Mexico, where they were used to commit violent crimes[/b]. This disclosure enraged many Mexican lawmakers, who want to sue the gun stores and prosecute U.S. officials who approved the plan.

While [b]Holder and President Obama are content with an internal investigation conducted by the Department of Justice’s Office of Inspector General,[/b] others are not.

[u]"When I made complaints against the ATF, they were completely ignored and whitewashed and they left the same people in place to operate Project Gunrunner," says ATF Tucson Agent Jay Dobyns.[/u]

[u]Dobyns spent two years undercover with the Hells Angels. While he became a star witness in the prosecution of 15 members of the motorcyle gang on charges ranging from extortion to murder, he also became a target of their revenge[/u].

"You are gonna spend the rest of your life running from the Hells Angels," he says they told him. "We know who you are, we know where you live."

[u]The ATF office in Phoenix, specifically Agent-in-Charge Bill Newell and his deputy, George Gillette, promised to protect Dobyns, but Dobyns says they didn't[/u]. He says the Hells Angels threatened to rape his wife and behead his children. [b]Weeks later, Dobyns says the gang burned down his house with his family inside. Miraculously, they escaped[/b].

"They abandoned us, they ignored us," said Dobyns.

He filed a complaint against the ATF. Seeking to contain the damage, the DOJ Office of Inspector General investigated and concluded the agency acted "recklessly, needlessly and inappropriately."

[b]That was in August 2009 against Newell, Gillette and the ATF officials in charge. [u]However, no one was held accountable[/u]. [/b]Operation Fast and Furious, under the direct authority of the ATF Phoenix Office, was launched less than six months later. Dobyns says allowing the ATF to conduct another OIG investigation would be a mistake

"They do not care what the OIG says. They don't care what the OIG conclusions are."


Este es el circo de "Soleil" de la administracion del "Cambio"... Estos dos (Holder & Obama) me recuerdan un "Skit" de SNL con Christopher Walken...
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Que creen ustedes, es o no importante que esta administracion esta contrabandeando armas a los narcos en Mexico?

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se acuerdan de este?

Oliver North

Nació en San Antonio, Texas, en 1943. Quería ser maestro, pero un verano asistió a un curso de vacaciones en Carolina del Norte para aspirantes a oficiales de marines. Por esa época, arreciaba la guerra de Vietnam. Ingresó a la Academia Naval de Annapolis (Maryland), donde egresó en 1968 y partió al sudeste asiático. Entre diciembre de ese año y agosto de 1969, fue oficial de operaciones en Quan Tri y dirigió dos equipos asesinos de 15 hombres cada uno, conocidos como “los bastardos de Blue”.

Estuvo involucrado en todas las cruzadas del presidente republicano Ronald Reagan (1980-1888). Había llegado al Consejo de Seguridad Nacional gracias a una tesis para el Colegio Naval de Guerra. Tres años después, comenzó a coordinar la ayuda encubierta a los 'contras' nicaragüenses. En 1985 diseñó golpes comando contra los palestinos y trabajó codo a codo con el Mossad, el mortífero servicio secreto israelí.

Se sentía cómodo en el mundo de la diplomacia clandestina y era partidario de operaciones relámpago. Se definía como “cazador de terroristas” y le gustaba compararse con James Bond. Su consigna era “mientras más audaz, mejor”. Sin un gramo de modestia, se autodefinía como “el teniente coronel más poderoso del mundo”.

El militar viajó por América Latina, Europa y Asia con pasaportes falsos. Usó disfraces, dirigió traslados de armas y manejó cuentas secretas en bancos suizos. Fue corrompido por el poder y corrompió a otros hombres, mintió e hizo mentir.

En sus misiones encubiertas al servicio de la Casa Blanca, se hizo llamar Mister West. En los pasillos del Consejo de Seguridad Nacional le decían El Operador. Participó en un operativo secreto de venta de armas a Irán bajo la identidad de Mister Steelhammer, es decir 'martillo de acero'.

Desde el Consejo de Seguridad Nacional planificó durante cinco años operaciones clandestinas en América Central: organizó una red oculta de abastecimiento militar para los contras nicaragüenses, que incluyó a agentes de la CIA, contrarrevolucionarios cubanos y narcotraficantes.

Ayudó a fugarse en 1985 a Luis Posada Carriles de la cárcel venezolana donde se hallaba confinado por el atentado terrorista contra un avión civil cubano frente a las costas de Barbados. North puso a disposición del criminal su red encubierta, en virtud de las cercanas relaciones del teniente coronel con Jorge Mas Canosa, entonces presidente de la Fundación Nacional Cubano Americana, según confirman fuentes cubanas y estadounidenses.

El 30 de noviembre de 1986, cuando estalló el escándalo de la venta secreta de armas a Irán, el presidente Reagan lo calificó como “un nuevo héroe americano”. Atemorizado por la posibilidad de un atentado contra su vida, North hizo colocar en su casa de Virginia una puerta de acero valuada en 139 000 dólares, además de sofisticados sistemas de alarma electrónica.

El ultraconservador Patrick Buchanan, ex director de prensa de la Casa Blanca, escribió en The Washington Post el 8 de diciembre de 1986: '”El día en que Estados Unidos deje de producir soldados con los riñones y el corazón y el alma de Oliver North será el día en que esta nación entrará en una declinación irreversible”.

A no pocos preocupa la prolongación del expediente criminal de North. Desde mediados del año 2000 comenzó el desembarco en la Argentina de varias agencias privadas de inteligencia y seguridad, todas de origen norteamericano. Ellas trasladan fondos, ofrecen seguridad bancaria y servicios de custodias personales, de edificios y barrios cerrados. Pero, además, organizan operaciones de espionaje industrial y de inteligencia militar para Estados extranjeros.

Una de esas compañías es la Trident Investigative Services Inc., propiedad de North, representada en la Argentina por el uruguayo, nacionalizado norteamericano, John Battaglia Ponte.

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Asi puede ser, pero Oliver North era un militar con la optica que eso le da del mundo y Holder/Obama son dos abogados que supuestamente no son personas de armas.

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WHOM TO BELIEVE: REAGAN OR NORTH?




Conservatives face a dilemma: Should they believe Oliver North or Ronald Reagan?

North's recent book "Under Fire" alleges the former president knew everything about the Iran-Contra scandal. Reagan says he knew very little.Conservative media critic Reed Irvine is siding with Reagan. Irvine issued a denunciation of North last month that said the former White House aide wasn't telling the truth.
From the archive



North "became one of my heroes," Irvine wrote in his newsletter "AIM Report." "I confess that I averted my eyes. I wasn't comfortable with his acceptance of a security fence paid for by Gen. Richard Secord. I didn't buy his claim that he had accumulated several thousand dollars by stashing his spare cash in a little tin box in his closet, but I let it pass."

Before Irvine broke with North, Irvine's organization, Accuracy in Media Inc., encouraged its members to contribute to North's legal defense fund.

"The grounds North gives to support his charge" that Reagan knew everything "are worse than flimsy," wrote Irvine. "At least two of them are false."

North's book says Texas billionaire R. Ross Perot tried to get him to exonerate the president in December 1986. Perot denies the allegation and Irvine says Perot is correct. Irvine pointed to a 30-minute taped conversation from Dec. 15, 1986, in which Perot simply asks North to tell the truth. Perot secretly made the tape recording.

"`Under Fire' is designed to be a headline grabber and to turn around and make this guy (Perot) the heavy in this thing is just incredible," Irvine said.

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Pero que consideras de la operacion "Gunrunner" llevada a cabo por el BATF y el DOJ bajo Holder (y Obama) que le ha costado la vida a porl o menos un oficial del BP y sabra Dios a cuantos en Mexico?

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Ollie North is a great American. This video just to upset you anti-american socialists:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJfeD-I39CQ

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[quote name='Artaguito' timestamp='1304604937' post='2928249']
Ollie North is a great American. This video just to upset you anti-american socialists:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJfeD-I39CQ
[/quote]

North's recent book "Under Fire" alleges the former president knew everything about the Iran-Contra scandal. Reagan says he knew very little.Conservative media critic Reed Irvine is siding with Reagan. Irvine issued a denunciation of North last month that said the former White House aide wasn't telling the truth.

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[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZfNYgPDPQU[/media]

In 1986 The International Court of Justice found that the United States had violated international law by supporting Contra guerrillas in their insurgency against the Nicaraguan government and by mining Nicaragua's harbors. The court stated that the United States had been involved in the "unlawful use of force." (Terrorism)

www.icj-cij.org/docket/files/70/9973.pdf
www.democracynow.org/2004/6/8/reagan_was_the_butcher_of_my

Robert McFarlane
Oliver North
Ed Meese
Richard Secord
Elliot Abrams
George Bush, Sr.
Ronald Reagan
John Singlaub
Caspar Weinberger
John Poindexter
Albert Hakim
Otto Reich
Henry Kissinger
Theodore Shackley
Thomas Clines
John Negroponte

These imperialist bastards sacrificed basic moral standards, violated human rights, and effectively undermined the very country they were sworn to "protect".

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O sea que equiparas a la operacion gunrunner de la administracion de Obama con el escandalo "Iran-Contra"???? Muy interesante y maxime viniendo de un obamanita...

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[quote name='charlie319' timestamp='1304614635' post='2928258']
O sea que equiparas a la operacion gunrunner de la administracion de Obama con el escandalo "Iran-Contra"???? Muy interesante y maxime viniendo de un obamanita...
[/quote]

hablen de los escandalos que tambien hicieron los suyos,no hablo mucho de politica,pero odio los que hablan para tirarles a los contrarios y se les olvida lo que hacen y hicieron los suyos.

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Bueno, creo que has tenido un par de decadas para trillar el Iran Contra...Mientras que el escandalo de contrabando de armas por la agencia responsable de precisamente combatir esa accion es una noticia de actualidad que ustedes, l@s de la izquierda han querido ignorar a ver si pasa o es reemplado por algun otro y mayor escandalo... Pero entiendo el que trates de desenterrar un escandlo de tu infancia o ya distante juventud para como bien dices: "para tirarles a los contrarios y se les olvida lo que hacen y hicieron los suyos"...

Se te ve la costura Bambalan...

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[quote name='charlie319' timestamp='1304617863' post='2928261']
Bueno, creo que has tenido un par de decadas para trillar el Iran Contra...Mientras que el escandalo de contrabando de armas por la agencia responsable de precisamente combatir esa accion es una noticia de actualidad que ustedes, l@s de la izquierda han querido ignorar a ver si pasa o es reemplado por algun otro y mayor escandalo... Pero entiendo el que trates de desenterrar un escandlo de tu infancia o ya distante juventud para como bien dices: "para tirarles a los contrarios y se les olvida lo que hacen y hicieron los suyos"...

Se te ve la costura Bambalan...
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lo que pasa que ustedes nunca comentan sus escandalos,pero si lo de los otros,como si sus politicos fueran los mejores pero bush,bushito,reagan,tienen escandalos que ustedes no comenta,acuerdate las historia pasa,pero el ser humano no olvida.
tienes que admitirlo,si no te gusta que alquien hable de los tuyos no hable de los otros porque caa quien tiene su techo de cristal,el hecho de que no comente mucho por aqui,no quiere decir que no se,bastante que leo y se mucho mas de lo que aparento.

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[quote name='AL CAPONE' timestamp='1304619019' post='2928265']
lo que pasa que ustedes nunca comentan sus escandalos,pero si lo de los otros,como si sus politicos fueran los mejores pero bush,bushito,reagan,tienen escandalos que ustedes no comenta,acuerdate las historia pasa,pero el ser humano no olvida.
tienes que admitirlo,si no te gusta que alquien hable de los tuyos no hable de los otros porque caa quien tiene su techo de cristal,el hecho de que no comente mucho por aqui,no quiere decir que no se,bastante que leo y se mucho mas de lo que aparento.
[/quote]


Pero ven aca... Tu estas dragando de el cenagal del pasado un escandalo de hacen ya mas de dos decadas... Si te fijas, yo no he dicho que nadie sea mejor, sino que esto es un escandalo y que la adminitracion del idolo de barro esta embarrada en el y probablemente quedara ensartada.

Anda y abre un tema de revivir el Iran Contra para ver cuanto trafico generas con esa leccion de historia, pero aqui, y creeme que se que no me va a apoyar nadie en esto, estamos hablando de Operation Gun-Runner que es un suceso de actualidad. BTW, en aquella epoca, las armas se las estaban dando a supuestos "aliados" contra el comunismo y la operacion de Holder/Obama estaba proveyendo de armas a los narcos.

Claro que lo que optas por ignorar, ni siquiera registra.

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[quote name='charlie319' timestamp='1304619946' post='2928268']
Pero ven aca... Tu estas dragando de el cenagal del pasado un escandalo de hacen ya mas de dos decadas... Si te fijas, yo no he dicho que nadie sea mejor, sino que esto es un escandalo y que la adminitracion del idolo de barro esta embarrada en el y probablemente quedara ensartada.

Anda y abre un tema de revivir el Iran Contra para ver cuanto trafico generas con esa leccion de historia, pero aqui, y creeme que se que no me va a apoyar nadie en esto, estamos hablando de Operation Gun-Runner que es un suceso de actualidad. BTW, en aquella epoca, las armas se las estaban dando a supuestos "aliados" contra el comunismo y la operacion de Holder/Obama estaba proveyendo de armas a los narcos.

Claro que lo que optas por ignorar, ni siquiera registra.
[/quote]

no me vengas a llorar ahora lo que estan buscando es algo para opacar la buena labor de el negro,voy a buscar informacion de lo que dices y luego comento,no soy de los que cogen miedo a ninguna discusion que yo formo.pero ustedes hablan por hablar,porque si vamos a ver otros presidentes a hechos cosas peores y han salido bien,porque le han tirado la toalla.

charlie no te hagas el tonto,tu sabes mas que eso.pero si quieres debatir conmigo,vamos de iguales,demostrando aqui que presidente es el mejor y te digo no creo que encuentres mucho de kenneddy para aca.

BORDERS AND LAW ENFORCEMENT
Project Gunrunner
ATF Fact Sheet

ATF is deploying its resources strategically on the Southwest Border to deny firearms, the “tools of the trade,” to criminal organizations in Mexico and along the border, and to combat firearms-related violence affecting communities on both sides of the border. In partnership with other U.S. agencies and with the Government of Mexico, ATF refined its Southwest Border strategy. ATF developed Project Gunrunner to stem the flow of firearms into Mexico and thereby deprive the narcotics cartels of weapons. The initiative seeks to focus ATF’s investigative, intelligence and training resources to suppress the firearms trafficking to Mexico and stem the firearms-related violence on both sides of the border.

Firearms tracing, in particular the expansion of the eTrace firearms tracing system, is a critical component of Project Gunrunner in Mexico. ATF recently deployed eTrace technology in U.S. consulates in Monterrey, Hermosillo and Guadalajara, with six additional deployments to the remaining U.S. consulates in Mexico scheduled by March 2008. ATF has conducted discussions with the government of Mexico regarding the decentralization of the firearms tracing process to deploy Spanish-language eTrace to other Mexico agencies.

In the past two years, ATF has seized thousands of firearms headed to Mexico. Trends indicate the firearms illegally crossing the U.S.-Mexico border are becoming more powerful. ATF has analyzed firearms seizures in Mexico from FY 2005-07 and identified the following weapons most commonly used by drug traffickers:
· 9mm pistols;
· .38 Super pistols;
· 5.7mm pistols;
· .45-caliber pistols;
· AR-15 type rifles; and
· AK-47 type rifles.

- more -

Most of the firearms violence in Mexico is perpetrated by drug trafficking organizations (DTOs) who are vying for control of drug trafficking routes to the United States and engaging in turf battles for disputed distribution territories. Hundreds of Mexican citizens and law enforcement personnel have become casualties of the firearms-related violence. DTOs operating in Mexico rely on firearms suppliers to enforce and maintain their illicit narcotics operations. Intelligence indicates these criminal organizations have tasked their money laundering, distribution and transportation infrastructures reaching into the United States to acquire firearms and ammunition. These Mexican DTO infrastructures have become the leading gun trafficking organizations operating in the southwest U.S.

ATF has dedicated approximately 100 special agents and 25 industry operations investigators to the SWB initiative over the past two years. ATF has recently assigned special agents to Las Cruces, N.M., and Yuma, Ariz. These assignments are part of a broad plan to increase the strategic coverage and disrupt the firearms trafficking corridors operating along the border.

Cases referred for prosecution under Project Gunrunner.
FY 2006 Cases w/Defendants – 122 Defendants referred for prosecution- 306
FY 2007 Cases w/Defendants – 187 Defendants referred for prosecution- 465

Special agents have been deployed to Monterrey to support the work of the attachés in the ATF Mexico Office and assist Mexican authorities in their fight against firearms related violence. Three additional ATF intelligence research specialists and one investigative analyst are planned for the El Paso Intelligence Center (EPIC) to support Project Gunrunner, along with one intelligence research specialist in each of the four field divisions on the southwest border (Phoenix, Dallas, Houston and Los Angeles).

Firearm tracing intelligence is critical because it allows ATF and its partners to identify trafficking corridors, patterns and schemes as well as traffickers and their accomplices. Firearms tracing helps identify firearms straw purchasers, the traffickers, trafficking networks and patterns, thus allowing law enforcement to target and dismantle the infrastructure supplying firearms to the DTOs in Mexico.

ATF conducts firearms seminars with federal firearms licensees, commonly referred to as licensed gun dealers, to educate the firearms industry on straw purchasers and gun trafficking. More than 3,700 industry members attended outreach events in SWB divisions in FY 2007.

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Will “Operation Gunrunner” become Obama’s Iran/Contra scandal?

March 28th, 2011 2:59 am ET



The undercover operation carried out by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives which intentionally allowed large numbers of firearms to be bought in this country by so-called ‘straw purchasers,’ and then sent across the border to Mexico's drug cartels, known as ‘Operation Gunrunner” as well as “Fast and Furious” is starting to look very much like the Iran/Contra scandal of the 1980’s.

The parallels are astounding.

Iran/Contra became a huge thorn in the side of the Reagan administration, so much so that many believed the scandal would actually end with the impeachment or at the very least, the resignation of Ronald Reagan. And why not?—The U.S. government was caught selling weapons to Iran.

Of course, Operation Gunrunner has been placing weapons in the hands of another enemy…the Mexican drug cartels.

The recent murders of ICE Agent Jaime Zapata in Mexico, and Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry in Arizona exposed Operation Gunrunner, when it was discovered that weapons used in both murders were traced back to overseen U.S. purchases.

In fact, Operation Gunrunner has been a rather dismal failure overall, as very few of the weapons allowed to be smuggled into Mexico have actually been recovered.

Recently, Sen. Charles Grassley (R-IA) questioned Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano on her knowledge of the program.

Though there was apparently at least one U.S. Immigrations and Customs Enforcement agent in the Phoenix area, working with the ATF in the operation, Napolitano denied any involvement or knowledge of the operation.
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A few days ago, President Obama did an interview with reporter Jorge Ramos of Univision, in which he claimed that neither he nor Attorney General Eric Holder authorized the operation.

Obama said: “Well, first of all I did not authorize it. Eric Holder, the Attorney General, did not authorize it. He’s been very clear that our policy is to catch gun runners and put them into jail. So what he’s done is he’s assigned an I.G., an inspector general, to investigate what exactly happened.”

When Ramos asked Obama if he was at least informed about Operation Gunrunner, he responded: “Absolutely not, this is a pretty big government, the United States government. I got a lot of moving parts.”

Sound familiar?

So…Neither President Obama, nor Eric Holder nor Janet Napolitano knew about this program that put guns in the hands of cartel assassins?

When President Reagan denied any knowledge of Iran/Contra, it seemed rather implausible—Obama’s denials are no more believable.

More than likely, a fall guy will eventually be named (just as was Oliver North) and Obama will move on, rather unscathed.

One thing in Obama’s favor…He, unlike President Reagan, has a great friend in this country’s mainstream press.

hay esta lo quieren ver como lo que paso con reagan para recriminarlo,pero las pruebas donde estan,cualquiera puede comprar un fusil y dejarlo en manos de los narcotraficantes.

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Ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja, ja,....

Y que le va a decir Obama a Jorge Ramos????? Tienes que volver a tomar Politics-101...
[color="#0000FF"]Obama said: “Well, first of all I did not authorize it. Eric Holder, the Attorney General, did not authorize it. He’s been very clear that our policy is to catch gun runners and put them into jail. So what he’s done is he’s assigned an I.G., an inspector general, to investigate what exactly happened.”[/color]

O sea que bajo el mandato de Obama/Holder estas operaciones "rogue" ocurren sin que nadie de ordenes ni tome responsabilidad...

May 5, 2011
[url="http://dailycaller.com/2011/05/04/new-project-gunrunner-documents-peg-top-doj-officials/"]New Project Gunrunner documents peg top DOJ officials[/url]

[u]Three Project Gunrunner documents Rep. Darrell Issa, California Republican and House Oversight Committee chairman, released on Wednesday show high-ranking Justice Department officials were aware of Operation Fast and Furious and that [b]there was a consistent administration policy that allowed American guns to be “walked” into Mexican drug cartels’ possession[/b].[/u]

One of the documents shows [b]Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer approved a wiretap application for suspects Operation Fast and Furious targeted in March 2010. The wiretap application process is lengthy and cumbersome, and often requires those applying to make strong case as to why they need it. So, Breuer would have been briefed in detail on Operation Fast and Furious before authorizing the wiretap.[/b]

Another document, [b]a briefing paper from January 8, 2010, shows the administration’s step-by-step policy decisions and plans. The Phoenix Field Division of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), wrote that the “investigation has currently identified more than 20 individual connected straw purchasers,” or those who bought weapons, under ATF surveillance, with the intent to traffic them to Mexican drug cartels[/b]. [u]The briefing paper shows that ATF’s policy was to allow this to happen. “Currently, [b]our strategy is to allow the transfer of firearms to continue to take place[/b], albeit at a much slower pace, in order to further the investigation and allow for the identification of additional co-conspirators who would continue to operate and illegally traffic firearms to Mexican DTOs [Drug Trafficking Organizations] which are perpetrating armed violence along the Southwest Border.”[/u]

The briefing paper also shows that the “straw purchasing group” made a “blitz” in weapons trafficking from late September to early December 2009.

The third document, [i]an e-mail from Arizona-based U.S. Attorney Shelley Clemens to Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) official Richard Crocker and FBI official S. Annette Bartlett, shows that the Justice Department has begun scrambling to stop the gun “walking” practice since Issa and Sen. Chuck Grassley, Iowa Republican, launched investigations into the program. “Yesterday, we received a directive from the DAG [Deputy Attorney General], instructing on DOJ’s policy regarding guns going south into Mexico,” Shelley wrote on March 10, 2011. The directive from the Deputy AG, as she Shelley quotes it, is: “We should not design or conduct undercover operations which include guns crossing the border. If we have knowledge that guns are about to cross the border, we must take immediate action to stop the firearms from crossing the border, even if that prematurely terminates or otherwise jeopardizes an investigation.”[/i]

Attorney General Eric Holder has faced GOP heat on Project Gunrunner and Operation Fast and Furious for two straight days now. On Tuesday, Issa questioned him on it during a House Judiciary Committee hearing. [b]Holder told Issa he’s only heard of the controversial gun trafficking programs over the past few weeks.[/b]

Then, on Wednesday, before Issa released the three new documents, Grassley grilled Holder about the email from Clemens and the indications of a policy shift during a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing. [b]Grassley pushed Holder on the e-mail from Clemens. “If the ATF, as the agency keeps telling us, did not knowingly allow guns into the hands of traffickers, why was that directive even necessary? Why issue a memo telling people to stop doing something unless you think maybe they have been doing it?” Grassley asked Holder.[/b]

[b]The memo was issued because the allegations had been raised,” Holder said, “the possibility that that happened was sufficient I thought to have clarification sent to the field that we should never allow guns in an uncontrolled fashion to cross the border or actually to leave any investigation in an uncontrolled way,” Holder said.[/b]

[u]“I don’t think it represents a change in policy, but I certainly wanted to make sure that people in the field understood that that is in fact the policy. And to the extent there was any confusion, I wanted to make sure there was none,” Holder said.[/u]

Issa expressed dissatisfaction with Holder’s appearance of resisting cooperating with his and Grassley’s congressional investigations.

[b]“Two federal agents are dead,” Issa said in a statement. “While Attorney General Holder and other top officials at the Justice Department have refused to address the reckless decisions made in Operation Fast and Furious that have created a serious public safety hazard, investigations led by Sen. Charles Grassley and I continue to receive information from deeply concerned insiders who believe those responsible for what has occurred cannot be trusted to investigate themselves.”[/b]

Spokespeople for the DOJ did not immediately return TheDC’s request for comment on the new release.




Looks like they have Holder by the short & curlies... Let's see hjow far the press is willing to ignore this scandal to save the star of "the historical moment" they created by ignoring all the flaws and shortcomings in this clay-footed idol. You certainly seem to be in the tank...

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Holder dice que se entero en las "past few weeks"... CBS destapo la olla de grillos en febrero 23.

[url="http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20035628-10391695.html"]Gunrunning scandal uncovered at the ATF[/url]
(CBS News) WASHINGTON - Keeping American weapons from getting into the hands of Mexican gangs is the goal of a program called "Project Gunrunner." But critics say it's doing exactly the opposite. CBS News investigative correspondent Sharyl Attkisson reports on what she found.


December 14, 2010. The place: a dangerous smuggling route in Arizona not far from the border. A special tactical border squad was on patrol when gunfire broke out and agent Brian Terry was killed.


Kent, Brian's brother, said "he was my only brother. That was the only brother I had. I'm lost."


[b]The assault rifles found at the murder were traced back to a U.S. gun shop. Where they came from and how they got there is a scandal so large, some insiders say it surpasses the shoot-out at Ruby Ridge and the deadly siege at Waco.[/b]

To understand why, it helps to know something about "Project Gunrunner" an operation run by the ATF the Federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms.

[u]"Project Gunrunner" deployed new teams of agents to the southwest border. The idea: to stop the flow of weapons from the US to Mexico's drug cartels. But in practice, sources tell CBS News, ATF's actions had the opposite result: they allegedly facilitated the delivery of thousands of guns into criminal hands.[/u]

[u]CBS News wanted to ask ATF officials about the case, but they wouldn't agree to an interview.[/u] We were able to speak to six veteran ATF agents and executives involved. [b]They don't want to be quoted by name for fear of retaliation[/b]. These are their allegations.


In late 2009, ATF was alerted to suspicious buys at seven gun shops in the Phoenix area. Suspicious because the buyers paid cash, sometimes brought in paper bags. And they purchased classic "weapons of choice" used by Mexican drug traffickers - semi-automatic versions of military type rifles and pistols.


Sources tell CBS News several gun shops wanted to stop the questionable sales, but ATF encouraged them to continue.


[b]Jaime Avila was one of the suspicious buyers. ATF put him in its suspect database in January of 2010. For the next year, ATF watched as Avila and other suspects bought huge quantities of weapons supposedly for "personal use." They included 575 AK-47 type semi-automatic rifles[/b].


ATF managers allegedly made a controversial decision: allow most of the weapons on the streets. The idea, they said, was to gather intelligence and see where the guns ended up. Insiders say it's a dangerous tactic called letting the guns, "walk."


[b]One agent called the strategy "insane." Another said: "We were fully aware the guns would probably be moved across the border to drug cartels where they could be used to kill[/b]."


[u]On the phone, one Project Gunrunner source (who didn't want to be identified) told us just how many guns flooded the black market under ATF's watchful eye. "[b]The numbers are over 2,500 on that case by the way. That's how many guns were sold - including some 50-calibers they let walk[/b]."[/u]

50-caliber weapons are fearsome. [b]For months, ATF agents followed 50-caliber Barrett rifles and other guns believed headed for the Mexican border, but were ordered to let them go.[/b] One distraught agent was often overheard on ATF radios begging and pleading to be allowed to intercept transports. The answer: "Negative. Stand down."


CBS News has been told at least 11 ATF agents and senior managers voiced fierce opposition to the strategy. "It got ugly..." said one. There was "screaming and yelling" says another. A third warned: "this is crazy, somebody is gonna to get killed."


Sure enough, [b]the weapons soon began surfacing at crime scenes in Mexico - dozens of them sources say - including shootouts with government officials[/b].


One agent argued with a superior asking, "are you prepared to go to the funeral of a federal officer killed with one of these guns?" Another said every time there was a shooting near the border, "we would all hold our breath hoping it wasn't one of 'our' guns."


Then, [u]Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry was murdered. The serial numbers on the two assault rifles found at the scene matched two rifles ATF watched Jaime Avila buy in Phoenix nearly a year before[/u]. Officials won't answer whether the bullet that killed Terry came from one of those rifles. But the nightmare had come true: "walked" guns turned up at a federal agent's murder.


"You feel like s***. You feel for the parents," one ATF veteran told us.


[b]Hours after Agent Terry was gunned down, ATF finally arrested Avila. They've since indicted 34 suspected gunrunners in the same group. But the indictment makes no mention of Terry's murder, and no one is charged in his death[/b].


Kent Terry said of his brother, "He'd want them to tell the truth. That's one thing my brother didn't like was a liar. And that's what he'd want. He'd want the truth.


In a letter, the Justice Department which oversees ATF says the agency has never knowingly allowed the sale of assault weapons to suspected gunrunners.


Esto es de hacen ya mas de dos meses... No un par de, o unas cuantas, semanas... Edited by charlie319

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no se como esto pueda afectar a obama,al parecer agentes comprados por narcos para comprar armas y pasarlas a territorio mejicano,lo mismo que pasa en puerto rico.

esto lleva a~os pasando en puerto rico donde akas y m16 estan en manos de narcos,ahora me vas a decir que esto es problema de el gobernador de turno.
todavia no hay pruebas de que obama este al tanto y alla participado de el como lo hizo reagan,no mescles cosas que hacen unos agentes por dinero con lo que hizo reagan.si aparece que obama esta envuelto,te doy la razon y te digo obama actuo mal mientras tanto,sique buscandome las pruebas de que obama esta envuelto.

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JA,ja,ja,ja... De la misma manera que alegas que Iran Contra afecto a Reagan...

Tu perdona, pero "Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer " no es precisamente un "agente comprado"... ni laThe Phoenix Field Division of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) son tan solo unos pocos agentes... y finalmente el fax de Arizona-based U.S. Attorney Shelley Clemens al Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) official Richard Crocker and FBI official S. Annette Bartlett indica que esto se movia en las mas altas esferas del DOJ...

Buscar, pero buscar que???? Si con leer el periodico te enteras. Probablemente evitas leer cualquier cosa que marchite la reputacion del Presi... Pero acuerdate que no son ratas por ser de tal o cual partido. Son ratas por ser politicos. Hay una gran diferencia entre los terminos "un politico en el que puedes confiar" y "un politico honrado". Adivina cual es el mito?

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[quote name='charlie319' timestamp='1304626248' post='2928291']
JA,ja,ja,ja... De la misma manera que alegas que Iran Contra afecto a Reagan...

Tu perdona, pero "Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer " no es precisamente un "agente comprado"... ni laThe Phoenix Field Division of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) son tan solo unos pocos agentes... y finalmente el fax de Arizona-based U.S. Attorney Shelley Clemens al Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) official Richard Crocker and FBI official S. Annette Bartlett indica que esto se movia en las mas altas esferas del DOJ...

Buscar, pero buscar que???? Si con leer el periodico te enteras. Probablemente evitas leer cualquier cosa que marchite la reputacion del Presi... Pero acuerdate que no son ratas por ser de tal o cual partido. Son ratas por ser politicos. Hay una gran diferencia entre los terminos "un politico en el que puedes confiar" y "un politico honrado". Adivina cual es el mito?
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entonces tu confiastes en ragan y bushito?

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