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Pues parece que Obama van a aceptar el plan de los republicanos de no subir los taxes....como quiera es un win win situation para Obama....si el pais sigue jodio se puede culpar a los republicanos por no ponerle taxes a los ricos y si las cosas mejoran Obama se vera como el hombre que acepto el plan del contrario por salvar el pais......Good for Obama!!! :biggrin:

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[quote name='mimapr' timestamp='1312120179' post='2935168']
Pues parece que Obama van a aceptar el plan de los republicanos de no subir los taxes....como quiera es un win win situation para Obama....si el pais sigue jodio se puede culpar a los republicanos por no ponerle taxes a los ricos y si las cosas mejoran Obama se vera como el hombre que acepto el plan del contrario por salvar el pais......Good for Obama!!! :biggrin:
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Mima por favor.......el Obama quiere aumentar los impuestos de los que llama "ricos" para gastar mas aun......el no quiere limitar la cantidad
de dinero que pueda gastar. No seria inteligente que si se aumentan los impuestos ese dinero se utilize para pagar la deuda del pais?
Pues Obama no quiere el dinero extra de los impuestos para eso y si para seguir gastando. Aun no puedo comprender como defiendes,
no importa el partido que sea el gastar mas de lo que se tiene o el coger fiao para seguir embrollando al pais aun mas. Ese es el "impasse",
no quieren permitir al Obama que gaste mas del dinero que tiene el pais.......ahora que tiene eso de malo? Como embrollando mas al pais, aumentando
la deuda externa, salva a pais alguno?????????? Acaso no ves lo que esta pasando en todo el planeta? Y mientras mas gaste Barack o el que sea,
esos pagos en intereses aumentan y en el futuro no habra dinero para pagar el Medicare ni el Seguro Social........ ahora dime a quien quieres salvar?
A Barack o a ti y tu familia? Edited by Mobutu Sese

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Si tu recaudas $100 no puedes gastar $500!!!!....Eso es asi de sencillo!!!...Tienes que cortar gastos gubernaentales y punto!!!...Si yo soy una corporacion privada que el gobierno me sube los taxes yo no voy a sacar ese dinero de mi bolsillo para pagarle al Tio Sam , yo como Corporacion voy a pasarle ese gasto adicional al [b]PUEBLO[/b] aumentando el costo de mis servicios y productos....o sea , el pueblo terminara pagando los taxes que OBAMA le meta a las corporaciones!!!....eso es lo que sucedera si dejan que OBAMA ataque a los supuestos ricos , como si los ricos fuesen tan pendejos de pagar esos aumentos de sus ganancias y sus bolsillos personales!!! Cualquier alza en los taxes la pagara la clase media no importa como lo hagan , por eso hay que decirle [b]NO[/b] a cualquier alza en los taxes!!

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No se porque escriben tanta kk por aqui....el partido republicano es un monigote del Tea Party y por eso Boehner y demas tienen que estar de rodillas chupandole las bolas al tea party....no tienen lider ni dignidad....solo piensan en el partido....Mira como el tea party los amenaza... :hysterical: :dickh:


“If the final bill is passed by establishment Republicans and House Democrats and does not include a balanced budget amendment as a requirement,[b][color="#FF0000"] it will be completely unacceptable and will be seen as a violation of the mandate that the tea party and likeminded people gave Republicans in 2010,[/color][/b]” said Ryan Hecker, the leader of a crowd-sourced tea party effort called the Contract from America.
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“The tea party didn’t help elect Republicans because they liked Republicans. They elected Republicans to give them a second chance[/color][/b]. And if they go moderate on this, then they have ruined their second chance, and there will be a real effort to replace them with those who will stand up for economic conservative values,” said Hecker, who helped conservative House Republicans rally support for the amendment.

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[quote name='mimapr' timestamp='1312136727' post='2935178']
No se porque escriben tanta kk por aqui....el partido republicano es un monigote del Tea Party y por eso Boehner y demas tienen que estar de rodillas chupandole las bolas al tea party....no tienen lider ni dignidad....solo piensan en el partido....Mira como el tea party los amenaza... :hysterical: :dickh:


“If the final bill is passed by establishment Republicans and House Democrats and does not include a balanced budget amendment as a requirement,[b][color="#FF0000"] it will be completely unacceptable and will be seen as a violation of the mandate that the tea party and likeminded people gave Republicans in 2010,[/color][/b]” said Ryan Hecker, the leader of a crowd-sourced tea party effort called the Contract from America.
[b][color="#FF0000"]
“The tea party didn’t help elect Republicans because they liked Republicans. They elected Republicans to give them a second chance[/color][/b]. And if they go moderate on this, then they have ruined their second chance, and there will be a real effort to replace them with those who will stand up for economic conservative values,” said Hecker, who helped conservative House Republicans rally support for the amendment.
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Mima por favor...si estuvieran pensando en el partido harian lo que es mas facil y consigue mas votos......embrollar aun mas al pais, no exigir sacrificios!
Responsabilidad fiscal es lo que Barack no quiere.........

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The Deal:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/01/us-usa-debt-deal-fb-idUSTRE7700OL20110801
* The deal would allow President Barack Obama to raise the debt ceiling in three steps. Congress would get a chance to register its disapproval on two of these, but would not be able to block them unless it musters a two-thirds vote in both the House and the Senate -- an unlikely prospect.

* It envisions spending cuts of roughly $2.4 trillion over 10 years, which Congress would approve in two steps -- an initial $917 billion when the deal passes Congress and another $1.5 trillion by the end of the year.

* The first group of spending cuts would apply to the discretionary programs that Congress approves annually, covering everything from the military to food inspection.

* Those programs would be capped each year for 10 years. The caps would be relatively modest at first to avoid stifling the shaky economy -- spending for the fiscal year that begins October 1 would be [color="#FF0000"]only $6 billion [/color]below the current level of $1.049 trillion. The caps would have a greater impact in later years, when it is hoped that the economy will have recovered.

* Some $350 billion of the $917 billion total would come from defense and other security programs which now account for more than half of all discretionary spending. Republicans are resisting this idea and it is one of the few areas of dispute left.

* Automatic across-the-board spending cuts would kick in if Congress does not observe the caps in coming years.

* A 12-member congressional committee, made up equally of Republicans and Democrats from each chamber, would be tasked with finding a further $1.5 trillion in budget savings.

* That committee could find savings from an overhaul of the tax code and restructuring benefit programs like Medicare -- the politically risky decisions that lawmakers have not been able to agree on so far.

* The committee would have to complete its work by November 23. Congress would have an up-or-down vote, with no modifications, on the committee's recommendations by December 23.

* If the committee cannot agree on at least $1.2 trillion in savings, or Congress rejects its findings, automatic spending cuts totaling that amount would kick in starting in 2013.

* Those cuts would fall equally on domestic and military programs. Medicare would face automatic cuts as well, but Social Security, Medicaid, federal employee pay, and benefits for veterans and the poor would be exempt.

* The plan also calls for both the House and the Senate to vote on a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution by the end of the year. It is not likely to receive the two-thirds vote in each chamber needed for passage, but its inclusion will make it easier for conservatives to back the overall deal.

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[b]O sea, no hicieron un carajo![/b] Los aumentos [color="#0000FF"]automaticos[/color] de presupuesto suman a 9 Trillones para los proximos 10 an~os, si a eso tu le recortas 2.4 trillones, entonces el presupuesto federal (que acaba de aumentar 28% en solo 3 an~os) va a aumentar como quiera 660 billones al an~o. Asi que en el 2022 en vez de estar embrollaos con 22 trillones vamos a estar embrollaos con 19.6 Trillones. Felicidades.[/b]

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The Deal:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/01/us-usa-debt-deal-fb-idUSTRE7700OL20110801
* The deal would allow President Barack Obama to raise the debt ceiling in three steps. Congress would get a chance to register its disapproval on two of these, but would not be able to block them unless it musters a two-thirds vote in both the House and the Senate -- an unlikely prospect.

* It envisions spending cuts of roughly $2.4 trillion over 10 years, which Congress would approve in two steps -- an initial $917 billion when the deal passes Congress and another $1.5 trillion by the end of the year.

* The first group of spending cuts would apply to the discretionary programs that Congress approves annually, covering everything from the military to food inspection.

* Those programs would be capped each year for 10 years. The caps would be relatively modest at first to avoid stifling the shaky economy -- spending for the fiscal year that begins October 1 would be [color="#FF0000"]only $6 billion [/color]below the current level of $1.049 trillion. The caps would have a greater impact in later years, when it is hoped that the economy will have recovered.

* Some $350 billion of the $917 billion total would come from defense and other security programs which now account for more than half of all discretionary spending. Republicans are resisting this idea and it is one of the few areas of dispute left.

* Automatic across-the-board spending cuts would kick in if Congress does not observe the caps in coming years.

* A 12-member congressional committee, made up equally of Republicans and Democrats from each chamber, would be tasked with finding a further $1.5 trillion in budget savings.

* That committee could find savings from an overhaul of the tax code and restructuring benefit programs like Medicare -- the politically risky decisions that lawmakers have not been able to agree on so far.

* The committee would have to complete its work by November 23. Congress would have an up-or-down vote, with no modifications, on the committee's recommendations by December 23.

* If the committee cannot agree on at least $1.2 trillion in savings, or Congress rejects its findings, automatic spending cuts totaling that amount would kick in starting in 2013.

* Those cuts would fall equally on domestic and military programs. Medicare would face automatic cuts as well, but Social Security, Medicaid, federal employee pay, and benefits for veterans and the poor would be exempt.

* The plan also calls for both the House and the Senate to vote on a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution by the end of the year. It is not likely to receive the two-thirds vote in each chamber needed for passage, but its inclusion will make it easier for conservatives to back the overall deal.

[b]
[b]O sea, no hicieron un carajo![/b] Los aumentos [color="#0000FF"]automaticos[/color] de presupuesto suman a 9 Trillones para los proximos 10 an~os, si a eso tu le recortas 2.4 trillones, entonces el presupuesto federal (que acaba de aumentar 28% en solo 3 an~os) va a aumentar como quiera 660 billones al an~o. Asi que en el 2022 en vez de estar embrollaos con 22 trillones vamos a estar embrollaos con 19.6 Trillones. Felicidades.[/b]

[color="#FF0000"][i]only $6 billion[/i][/color]

Cogemos prestado 4 billones cada dia, asi que para el proximo an~o reducimos el derroche por dia y medio. Tanto nadar para morir en la orilla.

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Ya Standard & Poor dijo que el [b]Default [/b] (la reduccion de AAA+ rating y los intereses elevados que eso conyeva) como quiera viene ya que es por nuestro comportamiento a termino largo de acumular deuda an~o tras an~o y no por un falso amago de no poner pagar la deuda mensual.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/43965357

Si tu fueras un CPA y una familia te viene con un problema de presupuesto, que gastan 30% mas de lo que devengan, tu le creas un plan para eliminar esos gastos y balancear sus cuentas o le dices que no se preocupe y sigan acumulando deuda?

Si es una falta de etica del CPA por recomendarle seguir aumentando las deudas a esa familia, porque le aplaudimos lo mismo a los políticos de Washington? Edited by Artaguito

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Llevo 2 dias enferma y sin mucho animo de debatir.....pero Artaguito si tu crees que hhiceron un carajo....dale las gracias a la division en tu partido, donde hay 2 grupos y cada cual hala para su lado......lo digo cada vez que los republicanos entral al poder...joden el pais.... :whistle:

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[quote name='mimapr' timestamp='1312216112' post='2935212']
Llevo 2 dias enferma y sin mucho animo de debatir.....pero Artaguito si tu crees que hhiceron un carajo....dale las gracias a la division en tu partido, donde hay 2 grupos y cada cual hala para su lado......lo digo cada vez que los republicanos entral al poder...joden el pais.... :whistle:
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Estas maniobras politicas en verdad no cuentan para nada y posiblemente tu no entiendes la magnitud del problema aparte del 'juego de dupleta' politico.

Si no congelamos los gastos de gobierno federal AHORA el país va a desaparecer de la manera que lo tenemos en menos de 20 an~os.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDpFRHe1iYo

Este "recorte de presupuesto" de 2.4 trillones en 10 an~os en verdad es un aumento de 7.1 trillones al presupuesto ya que el 'baseline' de presupuesto tabulizado por el Congressional Budget Office incluye los aumentos automaticos de 9 trillones y medio por los proximos 10 an~os.

A mi me dio la monga hace dos semanas que me tenia tumbao tambien. Edited by Artaguito

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Lo insólito y aberrado es que los liberales se están oponiendo al deal es por lo opuesto: que quieren seguir acelerando las deudas del gobierno y cualquier reducción a esto este en contra de su ideología estatista.

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Muchos dias de debate partidista y no apagaron microfonos ni hubo abucheos!!! :hysterical:

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[quote name='Magie' timestamp='1312247061' post='2935223']
Muchos dias de debate partidista y no apagaron microfonos ni hubo abucheos!!! :hysterical:
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Un poquito mas de 'espiritu' me gustaría ver que tuvieran en el congreso y que no se dejaran pisar como los acaban de pisar, y me refiero específicamente a los republicanos.

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[quote name='Artaguito' timestamp='1312247935' post='2935226']
Un poquito mas de 'espiritu' me gustaría ver que tuvieran en el congreso y que no se dejaran pisar como los acaban de pisar, y me refiero específicamente a los republicanos.
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Eso dicen que le hace el gallo... a las gallinas!!! :biggrin:

Fue un chiste. Por favor, riete.

Pero la pelicula a penas comienza. :popcorn:

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Pero ahora Estados Unidos se va a ahorrar un monton de dinero sin la NASA!! Supongo que las agencias que se encarguen de ella le pagaran al gobierno, verdad?

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:yippee: Yo llevo años :damm: EXIGIENDO recortes para poner fin :gaah: [b]al incremento en la deuda[/b]. Miriamivette hasta se burlaba de mi. Pero yo tenia razon.... y Artaguito y otros tambien! Edited by PR Paladin

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igFY-XxhWIg

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