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Republican Candidates Turn Attacks On Each Other

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Ya comienzan a sacarse los trapitos al sol.....a desprestigiarse. Y entonces me imagino que el electorado republicano escojera al mas idiota como siempre hacen.....bueno que se puede esperar de gente con cerebro de mime.....y fanaticos extremistas! :whistle:

Republican candidates turn attacks on each other

By JEFF ZELENY
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updated 9/3/2011 8:29:54 PM ET2011-09-04T00:29:54



[url="http://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&where1=INDIANOLA,%20Iowa%20&sty=h&form=msdate"]INDIANOLA, Iowa [/url] — Gov. Rick Perry is privately being coached to come across as more presidential — cautious in his comments, deliberate in defending his Texas record — while building on his fast start by trying to consolidate support across the Republican spectrum, from the Tea Party and evangelicals to the party establishment.

[b]Former Gov. Mitt Romney of Massachusetts is steeling for a long and combative fight for the Republican nomination, dropping his front-runner’s strategy and [color=#ff0000]preparing to confront Mr. Perry on immigration, his quarter-century in government and his claims of creating jobs in Texas.[/color][/b]

[b]Representative Michele Bachmann[/b] of Minnesota is working to shatter the notion that the race is becoming a two-person contest, scaling back her campaign appearances to study[b] Mr. Perry’s spending record in Texas in an effort to raise skepticism about his candidacy among Tea Party supporters.[/b]

The Republican field is entering a pivotal stage in the nominating contest as candidates increasingly move beyond criticizing President Obama and start to run against one another.

The outcome of three debates in the next three weeks — starting Wednesday night, the first time Mr. Perry, Mr. Romney and Mrs. Bachmann will face one another — will influence fund-raising, shape strategy and set perceptions as the candidates hurtle toward the start of voting early next year.

In both parties, there is now a sense that the president’s political frailty, underscored by the report on Friday that showed zero net job creation in August and new projections that unemployment will remain elevated through Election Day next year, is even greater than it appeared at the start of the summer, injecting additional energy and urgency into the Republican primary race.

While many Democrats once hoped that perceived deficiencies among the Republican contenders could provide a lifeline to Mr. Obama, the prospect of losing the presidency is no longer summarily dismissed by his advisers.

With so much at stake, the lineup of candidates remains unsettled. [b]Sarah Palin [/b]signaled during a weekend swing through Iowa and New Hampshire that[b] she might still jump in, declaring, “There’s room for more.”[/b]

In an appearance here Saturday afternoon, Ms. Palin made clear that she has no intentions of simply falling in line behind one of the party’s leading candidates. She urged voters to scrutinize Republican contenders, striking a populist tone as she warned against “crony capitalism” in both parties.

[b]“Our challenge is not just to replace Obama in 2012," Ms. Palin said. "But the real challenge is who and what we will replace him with?”[/b]

At the same time, there remains a debate within the party about whether the candidates are[b] moving too far right[/b] in pursuit of their most ideologically committed voters, and about how to balance principles against the assumption that winning the White House requires the ability to appeal to centrist voters. In recent weeks, former Gov. Jon M. Huntsman Jr. of Utah has been making the case for moderation, attracting new attention.

[b]“Republicans have to nominate someone better than the person they want to defeat[/b],” said Mike Huckabee, a former Arkansas governor and 2008 presidential candidate. “If they get so adamant that they will only support a candidate that believes everything on their checklist, they will re-elect Obama.” [i][b][color=#ff0000]My comment: There's no one better,moron![/color][/b][/i]

There are interwoven crosscurrents coursing through the field, but Mr. Perry, who has reshaped the race since declaring his candidacy three weeks ago, is at the center of nearly every Republican strategy.

He is courting fund-raisers and reassuring potential supporters that he can withstand the intense scrutiny accompanying his new prominence, even as he scrambles to drain establishment support from Mr. Romney and erode enthusiasm for Mrs. Bachmann among Christian conservatives.

He invited a group of contributors to the Barton Creek Resort and Spa outside Austin, Tex., last week for a political briefing and dinner. [b]One participant said the governor reassured his guests that he “could take a punch and land a punch” and survive the glare of a presidential spotlight.[/b]

He convened a separate meeting with evangelical leaders, where attendees told The Texas Tribune that Mr. Perry said, “There is nothing in my life that will embarrass you if you decide to support me for president.”

[b]His advisers are working with him on softening his language[/b] to avoid statements like the one that gained attention last month when he suggested the chairman of the Federal Reserve, Ben Bernanke, would get “ugly” treatment if he visited Texas.

His aides, an all-Texas team, had grown accustomed to such comments over the last decade and were taken aback by the criticism, but are now instructing him to avoid questions that could provoke a pointed response or to deflect situations with humor.

He is devising answers to critiques of his Texas record and things he has written about in his books, studying foreign policy briefing papers and holding mock debating sessions. [b]His performance, which is being carefully watched by Republicans[/b], will set the tone for the fall.

“We don’t need a nominee who’s going to blur the differences between themselves and Barack Obama,” Mr. Perry said Saturday during a stop in New Hampshire. “We’re going to have a nominee who draws a clear contrast.”

The string of debates will allow candidates to introduce themselves to a wider audience, even as they try to shape perceptions of one another. The primary channel of negative campaigning at this stage is shaping up to be outside groups that have multiplied since a Supreme Court ruling last year allowed groups to accept unlimited money and promote candidates.

In South Carolina,[b][color=#ff0000] a group called Keep Conservatives United, which supports Mrs. Bachmann, opened the volley last week by questioning Mr. Perry’s credentials as a fiscal conservative. “He’s supposed to be the Tea Party guy?”[/color][/b] the advertisement asks.

The advertisements, along with the rising tenor of the candidates’ own words, provide a window into how they are preparing to challenge one another.

Interviews with a dozen advisers, including those inside campaigns and those aligned with outside groups, show lines of attack likely to emerge in the coming weeks.

[b][color=#a52a2a]For Mr. Romney, rivals are fixated on the health care bill he signed as Massachusetts governor[/color][/b] and his 1994 Senate race against Senator Edward M. Kennedy of Massachusetts, where the two shared views on many issues, which are at odds with his positions today.

[b][color=#a52a2a]For Mr. Perry, rivals are already reminding voters of his time as a Democrat — he switched parties two decades ago — and his record as Texas governor. In 2007, he tried to require girls to receive vaccinations[/color][/b]

The plan enraged many conservatives who saw it as an unwarranted intrusion by government and a bow to sexual promiscuity. He ultimately dropped the effort and apologized, telling a Des Moines radio station, “I don’t always get it right.”

While Mr. Romney’s position as an early leader in the race has been shaken by Mr. Perry, it will almost certainly not be Mr. Romney who engages Mr. Perry first. He is already the subject of criticism from other rivals, including former Senator Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania, [b][color=#a52a2a]who questions Mr. Perry’s credentials.[/color][/b]

[b][color=#a52a2a]“We’ll see how conservative Rick Perry really is,” Mr. Santorum said.[/color][/b]

Here in Iowa, where the caucuses start the nominating contest, Mr. Perry is placing a high priority on the state. Mr. Romney is planning to decide how aggressively to compete here[b][color=#a52a2a] based on three factors: whether Mrs. Bachmann can show she has staying power, whether Mr. Perry continues to gain strength and needs to be stopped, and if Ms. Palin runs[/color][/b]. A Romney adviser said the campaign was prepared to “play heavily and hard if our strategy dictates it.”

While Mr. Romney has significantly stepped up his campaign efforts in response to Mr. Perry, advisers said he was considerably more reserved and less prone to panicky shifts in strategy than four years ago. The fact that he is on his second presidential run, aides said, is among his biggest attributes.

“This is going to be a long, drawn-out primary,” said Gov. David Heineman of Nebraska, a supporter of Mr. Romney. “Mitt has been through this before. That’s a significant asset.”

This article, "[url="http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/04/us/politics/04repubs.html"]Republican Candidates Turn Attacks on One Another[/url]," first appeared in The New York Times.


Aqui el primer video de Bachmann atacando a Perry..........lol



[YouTube]http://youtu.be/KxyVMi-eOeA[/YouTube]

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Nunca creo que llegue al nivel de: "Hillary had never been called a nigger" o de "He's got a white momma!"

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[color=#000080][b][size=4]Hasta la liberal/socialista Maureen Dowd ya se dio cuenta que Obama es un cohete quemao:[/size][/b][/color]



[b] [size=5]One and Done?[/size][/b]


[b] [size=5]By [url="http://topics.nytimes.com/top/opinion/editorialsandoped/oped/columnists/maureendowd/index.html?inline=nyt-per"]MAUREEN DOWD[/url][/size][/b]

[size=5][url="http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/04/opinion/dowd-one-and-done.html?_r=3"]http://www.nytimes.c...-done.html?_r=3[/url][/size]
[size=4]ONE day during the 2008 campaign, as Barack Obama read the foreboding news of the mounting economic and military catastrophes that W. was bequeathing his successor, he dryly remarked to aides: “Maybe I should throw the game.”[/size]

[size=4]On the razor’s edge of another recession; blocked at every turn by Republicans determined to slice him up at any cost; starting an unexpectedly daunting re-election bid; and puzzling over how to make a prime-time speech about infrastructure and payroll taxes soar, maybe President Obama is wishing that he had thrown the game.[/size]

[size=4]The leader who was once a luminescent, inspirational force is now just a guy in a really bad spot.[/size]

[size=4]His Republican rivals for 2012 have gone to town on the Labor Day weekend news of zero job growth, using the same line of attack Hillary used in 2008: Enough with the big speeches! What about some action?[/size]

[size=4]Polls show that most Americans still like and trust the president; but they may no longer have faith that he’s a smarty-pants who can fix the economy. [color=#0000cd][size=3][i]Not really, polls show him at 39%, and 25% of democrats would like another candidate for 2012.[/i] [/size][/color][/size]

[size=4]Just as Obama miscalculated in 2009 when Democrats had total control of Congress, holding out hope that G.O.P. lawmakers would come around on health care after all but three senators had refused to vote for the stimulus bill; just as he misread John Boehner this summer, clinging like a scorned lover to a dream that the speaker would drop his demanding new inamorata, the Tea Party, to strike a “grand” budget bargain, so the president once more set a trap for himself and gave Boehner the opportunity to dis him on the timing of his jobs speech this week.[/size]

[size=4]Obama’s re-election chances depend on painting the Republicans as disrespectful. So why would the White House act disrespectful by scheduling a speech to a joint session of Congress at the exact time when the Republicans already had a debate planned?[/size]

[size=4]And why is the White House so cocky about Obama as a TV draw against quick-draw Rick Perry? As James Carville acerbically noted, given a choice between watching an Obama speech and a G.O.P. debate, “I’d watch the debate, and I’m not even a Republican.”[/size]

[size=4]The White House caved, of course, and moved to Thursday, because there’s nothing the Republicans say that he won’t eagerly meet halfway.[/size]

[size=4]No. 2 on David Letterman’s Top Ten List of the president’s plans for Labor Day: “Pretty much whatever the Republicans tell him he can do.”[/size]

[size=4]On MSNBC, the anchors were wistfully listening to old F.D.R. speeches, wishing that this president had some of that fight. But Obama can’t turn into F.D.R. for the campaign because he aspires to the class that F.D.R. was a traitor to; and he can’t turn into Harry Truman because he lacks the common touch. He has an acquired elitism.[/size]

[size=4]MSNBC’s Matt Miller offered “a public service” to journalists talking about Obama — a list of synonyms for cave: “Buckle, fold, concede, bend, defer, submit, give in, knuckle under, kowtow, surrender, yield, comply, capitulate.”[/size]

[size=4]And it wasn’t exactly Morning in America when Obama sent out a mass e-mail to supporters Wednesday under the heading “Frustrated.”[/size]

[size=4]It unfortunately echoed a November 2010 parody in The Onion with the headline, “Frustrated Obama Sends Nation Rambling 75,000-Word E-Mail.”[/size]

[size=4]“Throughout,” The Onion teased, “the president expressed his aggravation on subjects as disparate as the war in Afghanistan, the sluggish economic recovery, his live-in mother-in-law, China’s undervalued currency, Boston’s Logan Airport, and tort reform.”[/size]

[size=4]You know you’re in trouble when Harry Reid says you should be more aggressive.[/size]

[size=4]If the languid Obama had not done his usual irritating fourth-quarter play, if he had presented a jobs plan a year ago and fought for it, he wouldn’t have needed to elevate the setting. How will he up the ante next time? A speech from the space station?[/size]

[size=4]Republicans who are worried about being political props have a point. The president is using the power of the incumbency and a sacred occasion for a political speech.[/size]

[color=#ff0000][size=4]Obama is still suffering from the Speech Illusion, the idea that he can come down from the mountain, read from a Teleprompter, cast a magic spell with his words and climb back up the mountain, while we scurry around and do what he proclaimed.[/size][/color]

[size=4]The days of spinning illusions in a Greek temple in a football stadium are done. The One is dancing on the edge of one term.[/size]

[size=4]The White House team is flailing — reacting, regrouping, retrenching. It’s repugnant.[/size]

[size=4]After pushing and shoving and caving to get on TV, the president’s advisers immediately began warning that the long-yearned-for jobs speech wasn’t going to be that awe-inspiring.[/size]

[size=4]“The issue isn’t the size or the newness of the ideas,” one said. “It’s less the substance than how he says it, whether he seizes the moment.”[/size]

[size=4]The arc of justice is stuck at the top of a mountain. Maybe Obama was not even the person he was waiting for.[/size]


[color=#000080][b][size=4]Dowd in a nutshell: Obama is not the Che Guevara we thought he was.[/size][/b][/color]

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Mijito no seas tan collera no estamos hablando ni de sexo ni de raza, claro ustedes caen tan bajo que tienen que ofender para que la palabra de ustedes llegue a los idiotass deserebrados.....aqui se van a matar los republicanos critican las metidas de patas de cada uno.... Pero no me podia esperar otra respuesta tuya que claramente has demostrado en estos foros que eres primero machista y bastante.....con decirte que tu mujer solo puede entrar al foro cuando tu se lo permites......segundo eres un homofobico, eres un racista y encima un perdedor. Mira a ver si puedes opinar sin ofender y hablar del tema, que es loa guerra entre los republicanos......si tu quieres hablar de negros, de mujeres , de Obama o Hilary haste un nuevo tema de los tantos que has hecho en el foro de estupideces....... :moron:

Regresando al tema, ya se sabe que Perry es un EMBUSTERO!!!!! jajajajajajajajajaja

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Mima tu todavia no te das cuenta que tus respuestas 'ad hominem' lo que reflejan es falta de argumento? Lo que todo el mundo lee es: "Mima no supo decir nada asi que ataco personalmente a Artaguito".

Yo solamente pongo dos citas de gente que apoyaba a los dos candidatos democratas en 2008 para demostrar lo bajo en que llego esa campan~a, y ti lo unico que se te ocurre a ti es insultarme a mi?


Ten un poquito de mas imaginacion para[i] [size=3]insultar sutilmente como yo acabo de hacer en este post.[/size][/i][i][size=3] [/size][/i][i][size=3] :whistle:[/size][/i]

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Puedes decir lo que quieras, pero [b]aun[/b] no has comentado sobre el tema....... :WAL:


Estamos aqui hablando de los republicanos y del año 2011 y tu regresas al 2008......y hablas de democratas. Vuelvo y repito abrete un tema del Hilary vs Obama si quieres......ahora estamos hablando de los republicanos, que al igual que en el pasado, destruyeron al mejor candidato para escoger a un viejo decrepito con una bruta.....

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Bueno este tipo de competencia se sa en partidos donde no se dicta la candidatura dearer arriba o a fuerza de implicaciones de racismo, como en otros.

Perry es el "neo-Bush" y no va,a ningun lado. Romney es el corporativista. Ahora, con todo lo que se puden decir, no los veras acusarse de tener parientes profugos de ls ley como el tio Oscar Obama. Edited by charlie319

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Que importan los parientes.....ahora como nadie entra a tu tema , quieres mezclarlo aqui?????? Estas hecho un Paladin. Hasta tu puedes tener parientes profugos....Aqui el tema es la guerra que ya esta comenzando entre los republicanos.....a arrancar cuellos!!! jajajajajajajaja

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[quote name='mimapr' timestamp='1315182406' post='2937256']
Que importan los parientes.....ahora como nadie entra a tu tema , quieres mezclarlo aqui?????? Estas hecho un Paladin. Hasta tu puedes tener parientes profugos....Aqui el tema es la guerra que ya esta comenzando entre los republicanos.....a arrancar cuellos!!! jajajajajajajaja
[/quote]

Lo que es normal en todas las candidaturas politicas, pero puse de ejemplo la ultima del Partido Democrata que inordinariamente sucisima:

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsnXRMkx7_0"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsnXRMkx7_0[/url]

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgtIqeV-6mk"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgtIqeV-6mk[/url]

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[quote name='mimapr' timestamp='1315182406' post='2937256']Que importan los parientes.....ahora como nadie entra a tu tema , quieres mezclarlo aqui?????? Estas hecho un Paladin. Hasta tu puedes tener parientes profugos....Aqui el tema es la guerra que ya esta comenzando entre los republicanos.....a arrancar cuellos!!! jajajajajajajaja[/quote]

Querras decir que les da verguenza que el idolo rental tal casta y les da culillo poner la cabeza en la picota, cuando so buenos para Atacar. Hasta Ahora no has dado la cara alli por no tener el cuero para el viejos refran de "donde las Dan, las toman y callar es bueno".

Greenish si de aqui a primavera no se lanza Hillary a rescatar al partido. Con un presidente con un record fatal Hillary es el mejor candidato actualmente.

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Regresando al tema.....ahora Ron Paul tira un anuncion atacando a Perry....jajajajajajajaja

[YouTube]http://youtu.be/kUHlIPJTMIg[/YouTube]

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Perry no va a ningun lado., yo no le saco el cuerpo al intercambio de ideas... aunque sea con un cobarde.

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[quote name='mimapr' timestamp='1315313894' post='2937319']
Regresando al tema.....ahora Ron Paul tira un anuncion atacando a Perry....jajajajajajajaja

[media]http://youtu.be/kUHlIPJTMIg[/media]
[/quote]


Es curioso que Ron Paul use a Reagan (un ex-democrata) para atacar al ex-democrata Rick Perry.

Es mas, Reagan dejo de ser democrata en 1961, 19 an~os antes de elegirse presidente republicano. Rick Perry dejo de ser democrata en 1989, lo que son 23 an~os a la elecciones del 2012.

Nuevamente, Ron Paul seria mi candidato por lo constitucionalista/originalista que es, si no se pusiera con sus locuras de 9/11 o su 'isolationism' en el ambito internacional.

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No creo que se ponga tan sucia como fue entre Hillary y Obama hace dos an~os:

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBlBIAt4YZA&feature=relmfu"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBlBIAt4YZA&feature=relmfu[/url]

Por supuesto siendo Clinton el mejor 'reculeador' de los ultimos 50 an~os, nego lo que el mismo dijo.

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Segun una Amiga mia que es republiicana y cabildera, es la Hillary quien mas les preocupa como candidato.

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Hasta Cheney esta hablando mal de los candidatos republicanos....lol


* Dick Cheney is not afraid to chastise his party’s 2012 hopefuls. The former vice president [url="http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/09/dick-cheney-tells-republican-presidential-candidates-to-watch-their-mouths/"]tells ABC News[/url] that Texas Gov. [b]Rick Perry [/b]used “inappropriate” language when talking about Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke and shouldn’t have called Social Security a “Ponzi scheme,” that the promise Rep. [b]Michele Bachmann [/b](R-Minn.) made of $2 a gallon gas was unbelievable, and that former Utah governor [b]Jon Huntsman[/b] is wrong on Afghanistan.

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Disfruten el debate ahora, en vivo

[url="http://www.politico.com/2012-election/reagan-republican-debate/"]http://www.politico.com/2012-election/reagan-republican-debate/[/url]

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[quote name='mimapr' timestamp='1315442750' post='2937460']
Hasta Cheney esta hablando mal de los candidatos republicanos....lol


* Dick Cheney is not afraid to chastise his party’s 2012 hopefuls. The former vice president [url="http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/09/dick-cheney-tells-republican-presidential-candidates-to-watch-their-mouths/"]tells ABC News[/url] that Texas Gov. [b]Rick Perry [/b]used “inappropriate” language when talking about Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke and shouldn’t have called Social Security a “Ponzi scheme,” that the promise Rep. [b]Michele Bachmann [/b](R-Minn.) made of $2 a gallon gas was unbelievable, and that former Utah governor [b]Jon Huntsman[/b] is wrong on Afghanistan.
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And I agree with Cheney exept about the Social Security. Bernie Madoff is in jail right now for taking money from new investors to pay dividends and liquidations to old investors and lying to all about the health of his investments.

Social Security takes money from salaried workers, and the Federal govt spends every dime of it immediatelly, and gives an IOU to SS. They tell you they have a 'Trust Fund', a "lock box" guarding your Social Security contributions, which is a boldface lie. Every month the federal govt has to cut a check to the SS Administration to cover the payments for that month, and we just saw that in living color only a month ago when Barack Obama was scaring everyone *(another boldface lie) with not being able to pay SS retirement checks if Congress didn't pass a debt authorization to borrow more money.

If the Social Security really had a lockbox, why would it care if the rest of the government couldn't pay it's bills?

By 2013 the Social Security will switch from receiving more money than it pays and fall into a deficit the federal Govt will have to cover. No more a cash cow for the feds but a liability. This is the point the whole thing unravels, and if the CEO of SS was a stockbroker from Queens, he would be starting the process of spending the rest of his life in 'Club Fed' with all expenses paid.

The Congressional Budget Office calculated that without serious reform, 2037 is the year Social Security goes bankrupt, where neither the taxpayers or the Federal Goverment can rescue it anymore. It is indeed a Ponzi Scheme.

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Tonight debate:

Romney: Solid, well controlled, great ideas. Don't count him out.
Perry: A big target on his back, shaky and sometimes labored, but had some highlights. First debate plus dealing with the Texas fires until this morning.
Bachman: Did well, but falling into irrelevancy
Gingrich: Splits tonight's win with Paul. Solid performance. Didn't put up with the moderator's crap.
Paul: Solid Originalist, my candidate if he wouldn't go crazy with 9/11 conspiracies and ostracism from the rest of the World. Splits with Gingrich.
Cain: Some good ideas but irrelevant
Santorum: Completely irrelevant.
Huntsman: Good ideas and good delivery, good 'stage presence'. Should poll higher if he wasn't considered the 'establishment's candidate'.


Any one of those candidates can run laps around the Marxist with their well developed programs and record of fiscal conservatism.

[b](But at this point I would even take a can of frozen concentrated orange juice for president. At least the frozen can doesn't the capacity for 'Financial Pedophilia' by burdening our children with more debt every day) [/b]

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September 7, 2011 10:44 PM
[b] Fact checking GOP debate claims[/b]


WASHINGTON - When Mitt Romney and Rick Perry thumped their chests over their job-creation records as governor during the Republican presidential debate Wednesday night, they left the bad parts out.

Yes, employment has grown by more than 1 million since Perry took office in Texas. [b]But a lot of those jobs are not well paid.[/b]
True, unemployment dropped to 4.7 percent when Romney was Massachusetts governor. But the state's employment growth was among the nation's worst.


A look at some of the claims in the debate, and how they compare with the facts:

PERRY: "Ninety-five percent of all the jobs that we've created have been above minimum wage."

THE FACTS: To support the claim, the Perry campaign provided federal statistics for December 2010 showing only 5.3 percent of all jobs in Texas pay the minimum wage.
But those figures represent all workers, not just the new jobs, for which data are unavailable. And that does not account for low-wage jobs that may be barely above the minimum wage. According to the Texas Workforce Commission, 51 percent of all Texas workers make less than $33,000 a year. Only 30 percent make more than $50,000 a year. Nationally, Texas ranked 34th in median household income from 2007 to 2009.

[b]About 9.5 percent of Texas hourly workers, excluding those who are paid salaries, earn the minimum wage or less, tying Mississippi for the highest percentage in the nation.[/b]
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ROMNEY: "At the end of four years, we had our unemployment rate down to 4.7 percent. That's a record I think the president would like to see. As a matter of fact, we created more jobs in Massachusetts than this president has created in the entire country."

THE FACTS: To be sure, 4.7 percent unemployment would be a welcome figure nationally. But Romney started from a much better position than President Barack Obama did. Unemployment was only 5.6 percent when Romney took office in 2003, meaning it came down by less than 1 percentage point when he left office in 2007. Obama inherited a national unemployment rate of 7.8 percent.

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PERRY: "Michael Dukakis created jobs three times faster than you did, Mitt."

ROMNEY: "Well, as a matter of fact, George Bush and his predecessor created jobs at a faster rate than you did, governor."

PERRY: "That's not correct."

ROMNEY: "Yes, that is correct."

THE FACTS: [b]Romney was correct.[/b]

Romney accurately stated that George W. Bush — even without his predecessor — saw jobs grow at a faster rate during his 1994-2000 years as governor than Perry has during his 11 years governing Texas. Employment grew by about 1.32 million during Bush's six years in office. Employment during Perry's years has grown about 1.2 million, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

As for Perry's claim about Romney's record and that of Dukakis, he was at least in the ballpark.

Democratic Gov. Dukakis saw Massachusetts employment grow by 500,000 jobs during his two divided terms, 1975 to 1979, and 1983 to 1991, a rate of more than 41,000 jobs a year.

Romney, governor of Massachusetts from 2003 to 2007, saw employment grow from 3.23 million to 3.29 million, growth of about 60,000 jobs, or a rate of 15,000 a year. That means Dukakis' job growth rate was nearly three times Romney's.
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MICHELE BACHMANN: "Obamacare is killing jobs. We know that from the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, but I know it firsthand from speaking to people. We see it this summer. There are 47 percent of African-American youth that are currently without jobs, 36 percent of Hispanic youth."

THE FACTS: The health care law that Obama pushed and Congress passed last year has long been labeled a job killer by Republicans, who often cite a Congressional Budget Office analysis to buttress their claims. But the CBO at no point said the law would result in job losses. Instead it made the more nuanced assertion that fewer people would chose to work.

"The legislation, on net, will reduce the amount of labor used in the economy by a small amount — roughly half a percent — primarily by reducing the amount of labor that workers choose to supply," the CBO said in an analysis. That's not job-killing, that's workers choosing not to work because of easier access to health care. The budget office said some people might decide to retire earlier because it would be easier to get health care, instead of waiting until they become eligible for Medicare at age 65.

The Minnesota congresswoman also states the percentages of unemployment among minority youth. But there is no evidence that the health care law is responsible for that level of unemployment. In fact, the health care law is still largely unimplemented, with some of its key provisions not taking effect until 2014.
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PERRY: On global warming, "The science is not settled on this. The idea that we would put Americans' economy at jeopardy based on scientific theory that's not settled yet, to me, is just, is nonsense. ... Find out what the science truly is before you start putting the American economy in jeopardy."

THE FACTS: The scientific consensus on climate change is about as settled as any major scientific issue can be. Perry's opinion runs counter to the view of an overwhelming majority of scientists that pollution released from the burning of fossil fuels is heating up the planet. The National Academy of Sciences, in an investigation requested by Congress, concluded last year: "Climate change is occurring, is very likely caused primarily by human activities, and poses significant risks to humans and the environment."
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BACHMANN: "It's wrong for government, whether it's state or federal government, to impose on parents what they must do to inoculate their children."

THE FACTS: [b]She was correct that Perry supported mandatory immunization of girls [/b]to reduce future risks of cervical cancer, although the measure was blocked by Texas lawmakers and parents would have had some ability to file a conscientious objection to the requirement. Perry signed an executive order in 2007 directing his state health department to make the human papillomavirus vaccine available to "mandate the age-appropriate vaccination of all female children" before they enter sixth grade. Texas would have been the first state to require the immunizations.
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PERRY: "What I find compelling is what we've done in the state of Texas, using our ability to regulate our clean air. We cleaned up our air in the state of Texas, more than any other state in the nation during the decade." He specifically mentioned successes in reducing nitrous oxide emissions by 58 percent and ozone levels by 27 percent.

THE FACTS:[b] Texas has reduced emissions as Perry described, but most of those reductions were required under the federal Clean Air Act. However, the Environmental Protection Agency recently rescinded the state's authority to grant some air pollution permits because the state did not comply with federal regulations.[/b] Texas, home to America's oil and gas industry, still emits more carbon dioxide — the chief greenhouse gas — than any other state in the country, according to government data. Several metropolitan areas in Texas still violate health-based limits for smog, and the county that is home to Houston is one of the biggest emitters of hazardous air pollution in the country. The Texas Legislature also passed, and Perry signed, a law that will delay enforcing stiffer clean air regulations by two years.


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