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NewJLo

Occupy Wall Street Movement

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Ben Tripp, del Huffington Post, finalmente ha roto el silencio en mainstreet media y publicado un artículo explicando la naturaleza populista de la ocupación de Wall Street.

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[b] What Are Your Demands?[/b]

Don't be fooled by the complaints that the Occupy Wall Street movement hasn't got a clear set of demands. Everybody in a position of power knows exactly what the people want. They simply don't want to acknowledge it. Because, one issue at a time, the demands all boil down to one thing: [i]we don't want you running the world any more. You're bad at it. Your motives are evil. The future you imagine is a vision of hell.[/i]
If I were in charge, I wouldn't want to acknowledge that, either.
It's an old trick: when an angry mob descends on your castle, ask what its demands are. The commoners will argue and bicker and eventually hand up a watered-down set of conditions for not torching the castle. Those can be negotiated down to a few easily-managed, cosmetic modifications to the status quo. Demands met, mob disperses. Nobody's happy, nothing has really changed.
History is rife with examples of this kind of thing. If your rule is met with popular resistance, insist on perfect clarity from the crowd. Get them arguing. Get them turned upon each other. It reinforces your power: they have to negotiate on your terms. The powerful know full well that a vast, systemic program of injustices cannot be opposed by a few bullet points on a list.
As often as not, the people dispense with the list, and bullet points become the points of bullets. Nobody wants that.
It's no surprise that most of the commercial media are ignoring this extraordinary story. They don't want to cover a massive popular mobilization against the powers-that-be in the United States. After all, the powers-that-be are writing their checks.
It was a different thing entirely to report on the Tea Party movement 24 hours a day. Its goals were in perfect keeping with the corporate powers. The Tea Party was easily manipulated, its agendas easily hijacked, because its members weren't [i]for[/i] anything. They were just angry, and they would repeat almost any grievance suggested to them by their handlers, from denouncing environmental regulations and taxes on the super-rich, to insisting unions and school teachers were the source of all our problems. The only thing they were for, it seemed, was more wars.
So the Tea Party's membership got wall-to-wall media coverage for over two years. They were able to shoo candidates into office (which turned out to be a disaster for mainstream Republicans) and dominate every news cycle through the 2010 elections. Why? Because, in their nihilistic fury, these people wanted to accelerate the growth of a money-driven authoritarian state. That worked fine for the money-driven authorities.
Now, there is a powerful, growing movement -- a genuine populist movement not funded by the Koch Brothers or egged on by radio shock-jocks -- that demands the American government get out of bed with corporate money. No more revolving-door lobbyists, paid-off politicians, or highest-bidder politics. Right there you can see why nobody in power wants to address this.
But add to that the desire to address the destructive income gap between richest and poorest, reverse the concentration of wealth, energize the economy from the bottom up, retool our future work to a sustainable model for a rapidly changing global environment, and rebuild our infrastructure -- that we need a universal healthcare system not geared to profits but to wellness, rather than leaving millions of Americans to die for lack of resources -- and I'm willing to bet there is genuine fear in the halls of power.
We're not seeing it, of course. But there must be panic building in Washington, Wall Street, and the many other seats of political and industrial control. And those are just a few examples of the wrongs people want to address. The entire status quo is a disaster. It needs to be reinvented. That is a revolutionary idea.
If you are a reporter at one of the networks or the big news chains, you don't want to talk about this. Much easier to scoff at the dirty hippies -- look at that hair! Look at those tattoos! -- than to admit this is real Americans in their millions, starting to awaken from a long nightmare alongside similar awakenings around the world.
A list of demands is not going to arise from this movement. It's not about bumper sticker slogans and catchy signs. A real people's movement is far more complex and filled with nuance than that. What Occupy Wall Street (and now, beyond) is demanding is nothing less than a return of democracy to this country, and the overthrow of Big Money's stranglehold on our nation's future.
That's not a demand. It's a promise.
UPDATE: a list of issues has been released by the New York City General Assembly, the loose leadership of that protest: note that it is not a list of demands.
[url="http://nycga.cc/2011/09/30/declaration-of-the-occupation-of-new-york-city/"][color="#0088c3"]http://nycga.cc/2011/09/30/declaration-of-the-occupation-of-new-york-city/[/color][/url]
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contrario a lo que parece indicar el autor de este articulo, si existe una lista oficial de reclamos:
[url="http://coupmedia.org/occupywallstreet/occupy-wall-street-official-demands-2009"]http://coupmedia.org/occupywallstreet/occupy-wall-street-official-demands-2009[/url]

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The Roussoian mob is insipid, without guidance, and transparent (a mix of anarchists and socialists).

Apart from hating capitalism, the most marked difference between the Tea Party and this mob is the amount of garbage this mob is leaving on the grounds.

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Jlo...ya que te interesa tanto este tema...seria agradecido si nos presentas varios
ejemplos de como las corporaciones son duenas del gobierno. Si sabemos como
General Electric influye en Barack.....ejemplos, Jlo, ejemplos!

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[quote name='Mobutu Sese' timestamp='1317682661' post='2939038']
Jlo...ya que te interesa tanto este tema...seria agradecido si nos presentas varios
ejemplos de como las corporaciones son duenas del gobierno. [/quote]

ah, fácil: una palabra te contesta eso, MONSANTO.

Veamos: uno de los reclamos del 99 % es que se retire el estatus legal de persona de las corporaciones, and making it illegal for people who have worked for large corporations to also turn around and work for the government agencies that regulate those same companies.

This one last issue is one of the most important, and if acted upon may help to considerably benefit the long term public health of Americans: it's what has given the corporation Monsanto the global power it has - many of the Food and Drug Admin. functionaries were hired directly from the Board of Monsanto over the last several decades so that [b]they've been literally regulating themselves and there has never been any transparency, or even an attempt at transparency, over decades[/b].

[b]Monsanto has put thousands of small American farmers[/b], and thousands more farmers from India and elsewhere [b]out of business (usually through litigation and other dirty legal tactics) and has also gained monopoly over a huge proportion of the food produced on Earth, AND PURCHASED THE PRIVATIZED PATENTS TO THE SEEDS[/b] that produce said food, so that if there's a great global famine in the future, the whole world in the midst of social chaos and upheaval will have to turn to them and buy food from them.

El otro ejemplo, de nuevo, son los 700 BILLONES de dolares de nuestros taxes que el gobierno le regalo a los bancos en lugar de dejarlos fracasar en el 2008, que en ningun momento nos benefició.

El otro es la existencia misma del banco central, la Reserva Federal, que es un BANCO PRIVADO cuyos dueños son EXTRANGEROS y que a diario cobran intereses del gobierno y el pueblo americano, endeudando a la nación ad infinitum y llevandose sus ingresos a sabrá dios que bancos suizos e internacionales ....

La Res. Federal es una institucion INCONSTITUCIONALMENTE CREADA, de la cual mas de un founding father nos advirtió en los años tempranos de la república americana, incluyendo personas como Andrew Jackson y Thomas Jefferson.

Y el otro ejemplo, uno de los mas vulgares, es el poder que tiene la industria del petróleo para avanzar agendas militares en el sobaco del mundo por petróleo, para que los inversionistas petroleros se puedan lucrar y enriquecer sin importar cuanta sangre se intercambie por petróleo.

Ni hablar de los lobbyists de la industria farmaceutica en el congreso y las muchas 'medicinas' que han legalizado que son letales y el modo en que mantienen a la gente enferma para lucrarse - te invito a que veas el filme 'A Beautiful Truth' para que entiendas lo que es la industria del cáncer.

No es por insultarte pero en serio necesitas entender en que planeta vives. Tu eres, presumiblemente, boricua y los boricuas estamos en la base misma de la pirámide. Estamos carcomidos de estos parásitos y deberíamos abrir los ojos. Edited by NewJLo

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[color=#0000ff][b]Ya que tu no sabes lo que transcribes New JLo, vamos a analizar esas acusaciones:[/b][/color]


[i]El otro ejemplo, de nuevo, son los 700 BILLONES de dolares de nuestros taxes que el gobierno le regalo a los bancos en lugar de dejarlos fracasar en el 2008, que en ningun momento nos benefició.[/i]

[color=#0000ff]Ni tampoco nos perjudico mucho que digamos. Aunque es un principio capitalista dejar que el que va a fracasar que fracase y yo me opuse al TARP, de esos 700 billones que se prestaron la mayoria ya han regresado al gobierno y el costo al contribuyente va a ser solo como 25 billones en perdidas. Oye y que paso con los otros 700 billones del Estimulo de Obama que si se perdieron y no crearon los 'shovel-ready jobs' que el prometio, esos se te olvidaron? [/color]


[i]El otro es la existencia misma del banco central, la Reserva Federal, que es un BANCO PRIVADO cuyos dueños son EXTRANGEROS y que a diario cobran intereses del gobierno y el pueblo americano, endeudando a la nación ad infinitum y llevandose sus ingresos a sabrá dios que bancos suizos e internacionales ....[/i]

[color=#0000ff]La Reserva Federal no es un banco privado y los duen~os son aquellos que tengan securities, no necesariamente extrangeros. Si el gobierno se amarrara el cinto y no gastara mas de lo que recibe no existiria esta deuda con los chinos.[/color]


[i]La Res. Federal es una institucion INCONSTITUCIONALMENTE CREADA, de la cual mas de un founding father nos advirtió en los años tempranos de la república americana, incluyendo personas como Andrew Jackson y Thomas Jefferson.[/i]

[color=#0000ff]Donde esta entonces tu disgusto sobre la creacion del Seguro Social, el Medicare y Medicaid, y ahora el ObamaCare que se estan tragando la mayoria del presupuesto federal y no tienen [b]ni una sola linea de descripcion[/b] en nuestra Constitucion? Ya que van a costar tanto al pueblo no deberia existir una enmienda a la Constitucion para cada uno?[/color]


[i]Y el otro ejemplo, uno de los mas vulgares, es el poder que tiene la industria del petróleo para avanzar agendas militares en el sobaco del mundo por petróleo, para que los inversionistas petroleros se puedan lucrar y enriquecer sin importar cuanta sangre se intercambie por petróleo.[/i]

[color=#0000ff]Entonces abandona el favoritismo a la industria del 'sustainability' que no sirve para nada y desata los amarres que le hemos puesto a la industria petrolera en nuestra nacion para que nos saquen de la dependencia a esos paises del Medio Oriente por medio de mas extraccion local. Aqui en EEUU hay petroleo, carbon y gas a patadas.[/color]


[i]Ni hablar de los lobbyists de la industria farmaceutica en el congreso y las muchas 'medicinas' que han legalizado que son letales y el modo en que mantienen a la gente enferma para lucrarse - te invito a que veas el filme 'A Beautiful Truth' para que entiendas lo que es la industria del cáncer.[/i]

[color=#0000ff]La industria farmaceutica se caso con Obama durante ObamaCare para que no los perjudicaran. Acuerdate que el cuco es ahora la industria privada de seguros de salud que no se le puso de rodillas a Obama. El que se cree y se va con lo que dice en 'The Beautiful Truth' termina con el 'ugly reality' de una metastasis terminal cuando esa pseudociencia no le funcione, cuando pudo haber sobrevivido bajo los protocolos oncologicos de hoy en dia. [/color]

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