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A Liberal Billionaire Writes About Class Warfare

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[b] Class Warfare - Yuck![/b]
[url="http://www.tedstake.com/2011/09/25/class-warfare-yuck/"]http://www.tedstake.com/2011/09/25/class-warfare-yuck/[/url]

Let me get this on the record.
My dad was a waiter. My mom was a secretary. Neither attended college. I grew up in Brooklyn, NY and Lowell, Massachusetts. I attended public schools. My parents - in their best year - earned $31,000 combined. My dad worked for tips - often received in change - as he worked a counter for breakfast and lunch at a diner. My dad, too, once lost his job. I remember the angst in our household.
I attended Georgetown University which at the time wasn’t a need blind school via college loans. I paid them all back five years after I graduated.
I have great empathy for middle class or lower middle class America. My horizons as a young adult were not expansive. I was programmed to be a produce department manager at a grocery store in my neighborhood. That was my dad’s aspiration for me. I would have been proud to work hard to become a leader in a grocery store and I bet I would have been good at it, too. By luck and hard work, my career took a different path.
I say this as I read all of the rhetoric about Class Warfare, the rift that is being created between economic middle and lower class and as the President said “those millionaires and billionaires.”
The real rift in philosophy though is do you want the Government to create jobs and stimulate the economy or do you want America’s small business to be the engine of growth?
Economic Success has somehow become the new boogie man; some in the Democratic party are now casting about for enemies and business leaders and anyone who has achieved success in terms of rank or fiscal success is being cast as a bad guy in a black hat. This is counter to the American Dream and is really turning off so many people that love American and basically carry our country on their back by paying taxes and by employing people and creating GDP.
This is a bad move all designed by some pollster who said this is the way to get votes during the re-election. It should be stopped. We should be healing and creating teams NOT dividing and pitting people against one another.
I know the President isn’t speaking to me specifically when he talks but many times I hear stuff and I cringe personally. As a friend told me the other day who lives in China, “Every time your President talks of late, it costs us billions in market cap and in confidence in your country and your economy.” Why do we devalue success in the US when the rest of the world is trying to emulate what we have created as an economic system?
So for fun: I take the Acela train to Philly and NYC all of the time. Alone - no traveling companions to prep me. I have never seen our President on the train, have you? I own 50 hours on NetJets for the rare occasion I do travel by private plane. Does Air Force One charter out? Stop making private planes an issue. This is a tiny issue for us to deal with for our country.
I do have a nice home with a house keeper. I have only one home. I bet there is more staff at the White House though? And Camp David. What kind of real estate tax is the White House paying? Nice jewelry [url="http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2011/09/drudge-report-finds-class-warfare-obamas-bling-irresistible/42816/"]here[/url]. Click away. Stop it. Upgrade the discourse.
With my investments and board seats and companies that I own, I am at a leadership position in concerns that employ more than 200,000 people. We do our best to be good corporate citizens. I know in the companies that I own personally or am the largest shareholder that we support now more than 500 charities. We care. Pick some business leaders that you work with and make them heroes. Don’t demonize them. Showcase them as great Americans that care and hire and employ people. Employment is the biggest issue you will face when re-election comes. If people aren’t working, they will blame you and your administration. And since you have never worked before in a real job for a real company, you need help from people who have been there. Don’t push them away!
I pay taxes. I am willing to pay even more taxes but I would want accountability that the money was being spent wisely on infrastructure investments; education and retraining; and anything that makes us more competitive and gets people working again. That seems fair doesn’t it?
I voted for our President. I have maxed out on personal donations to his re-election campaign. I forgot his campaign wants to raise $1 billion. THAT is a lot of money–money–money–money! Money still talks. It blows my mind when I am asked for money as a donation at the same time I am getting blasted as being a bad guy!
Someone needs to talk our President down off of this rhetoric about good vs. evil; about two classes and math.
Our country was founded on the premise of “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness”. Is anyone happy right now with all of this?
Hit a reset button ASAP.
Rethink how to talk to businesses and sell business leaders on your plan to make America great!
Many of us want to be a part of the solution. We aren’t the problem.


[color=#0000ff][b]Although I agree with what he says, I have no respect for this guy. 3 years ago I knew (and said it here) Barack Obama would be the most socialist president ever and would use Class Warfare at every turn. For supporting him this billionaire deserves every single inch of that anti-economic shaft Obama is trying to nail him with. [/b][/color]

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[color=#0000ff][b]A black capitalist is liberal kriptonite:[/b][/color]

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Fxpjga_LEU[/media]
[color=#0000ff](and that's my CEO on the first second of the video)[/color]

BET founder Robert Johnson on the "FOX News Sunday" program: "Well, I think the president has to recalibrate his message. You don't get people to like you by attacking them or demeaning their success. You know, I grew up in a family of 10 kids, first one to go to college, and I've earned my success. I've earned my right to fly private if I choose to do so.

"And by attacking me it is not going to convince me that I should take a bigger hit because I happen to be wealthy. You know, it is the old -- I think Ted and Fred and I we both sort of take the old Ethel Merman approach to life. I've tried poor and I tried rich and I like rich better. It doesn't mean that I am a bad guy.

"I didn't go in to business to create a public policy success for either party, Republican or Democrat. I went in business to create jobs and opportunity, create opportunity, create value for myself and my investors. And that's what the president should be praising, not demagoguing us simply because Warren Buffet says he pays more than his secretary. He should pay the secretary more and she will pay more."

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mira pa alla, pa que veas que todavia hay gente rica con conciencia: no es solo Warren Buffet

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[quote name='NewJLo' timestamp='1317659432' post='2939005']
mira pa alla, pa que veas que todavia hay gente rica con conciencia: no es solo Warren Buffet
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Ovbiamente no leiste o escuchaste lo que el dijo, que va completamente en contra del socialismo y la Guerra de Clases que tu, Obama y Warren Buffett promueben.

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[quote name='Artaguito' timestamp='1317659598' post='2939006']
Ovbiamente no leiste o escuchaste lo que el dijo, que va completamente en contra del socialismo y la Guerra de Clases que tu, Obama y Warren Buffett promueben.
[/quote]

Nadie 'promueve' la guerra de clases. La guerra de clases existe y la gente la ve y sabe que existe. No necesita ser promovida.

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[quote name='NewJLo' timestamp='1317665782' post='2939012']

Nadie 'promueve' la guerra de clases. La guerra de clases existe y la gente la ve y sabe que existe. No necesita ser promovida.
[/quote]

[b]Si solo Barack Obama fuera tan fiel como tu a la ideologia marxista y admitiera eso para que la ciudadania entendiera por fin quien es el![/b]

[b]New JLo, la Guerra de Clases existe porque ustedes los que le envidian la riqueza a otros la crean. La Guerra de Clases en EEUU es invalida ya que es posible y identificable la mobilidad economica de gente entre estratas economicas, unos suben y otros bajan constantemente. Deja de sentirte triste por ti mismo, deja de pensar que el mundo y 'el sistema' esta en contra tuya, deja de pensar que es obligacion del gobierno de ecualizar las riquezas de los ciudadanos y tu mismo forja tu destino y tu riqueza.[/b]

[b]Estas en el mejor pais del mundo para hacer eso.[/b]

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For sure Ronald Reagan was a Socialist Communist Marxist freeloading zealot that was born in Kenya!!!" :whistle:

[size=4][b]Reagan--No Loopholes For Millionaires [/b][/size]

[YouTube]http://youtu.be/cgbJ-Fs1ikA[/YouTube]

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Reagan, like Obama now, was wrong when he said that. The big difference between the 2 is that Reagan reduced the top bracket from 70% to 28% while Obama wants to raise it. "Loopholes" are clauses written in the income tax laws of the country. It is completely LEGAL and economically sound for anyone to seek shelter under them.

Your mortgage interest deduction, your college tuition, and charitable contributions could be considered "a loophole". Do you want Barack Obama to get rid of those too?


Pero discutamos sobre el "paying the fair share":

[url="http://www.taxfoundation.org/files/fed_indincome_allcharts-20101005.pdf"]http://www.taxfounda...ts-20101005.pdf[/url]


Vamos a coger y comparar el Top1% de los contribuyentes con el Bottom50% a ver quien paga mas que el otro:

Como puedes ver de los 1.4 millones en el Top1% en 2008 tuvieron un Adjusted Gross Income (AGI) de $1.7 trillones y los 70 millones de contribuyentes en el Bottom 50% tuvieron un AGI de $1.1 trillones.

[color=#0000ff]Ese Top 1% de los contribuyentes se ganaron el 21.20% de todos los ingresos individuales de la nacion, pero pagaron el 38.02% de todas las contribuciones recogidas por el IRS. En cambio, el Bottom 50% de los contribuyentes de ganaron el 12.75% de todos los ingresos individuales, pero solo pagaron el 2.75% en taxes.[/color]


La pregunta es, [b]como carajo uno puede deducir de esos numeros que los ricos (el Top1%) no pagan su "fair share"? [/b]Como es posible que Obama le mienta al pueblo diciendole que esos ricos no pagan taxes?

Me gustaria que alguno de ustedes liberales mirara esas tablas del IRS y me las explicara de la manera que Obama las entiende, ya que no hace sentido alguno lo que el dice.

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[quote name='mimapr' timestamp='1317759130' post='2939079']
For sure Ronald Reagan was a Socialist Communist Marxist freeloading zealot that was born in Kenya!!!" :whistle:
[size=4][b]Reagan--No Loopholes For Millionaires [/b][/size][/quote]

HAAAA
lo interesante es como las marionetas hablan y hablan hasta por los codos mensajes auspiciados por Wall Street, los millonarios no tienen q defenderse porque tienen vasallos leales, esclavos dispuestos del sistema de wage slavery - pero ahora que Wall Street esta ocupado ya ni los democratas ni los republicanos hablan por el pueblo. Ahora el pueblo tiene un outlet que va a ser mas vocal que las marionetas del tea party ...

WE ARE LEGION!
xoxox

[img]http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/occupy-poster.jpg[/img]

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Wow, no tienen comentarios sobre los números que les puse?

Es esa matemática tan difícil para ustedes?

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Y volviendo a Reagan, cuando el dijo eso el se referia al sistema que existia antes de la reforma del 1986 en donde millonarios si pagaban menos que la gente comun de tantas deducciones que cogian.

Antes de esa reforma, el top bracket llego a ser de 90% (cuando Reagan era de 70%) pero habian tantas deducciones al INCOME de la persona que muchos no pagaban nada.

Reagan lo que hizo fue reducir el progresivismo del sistema taxativo de 70% a 28% del top bracket y elimino muchos de esos "loopholes". Obama en cambio quiere eliminar esos loopholes y ademas aumentarle las contribuciones a esos.

Otro punto es que la comparacion de Reagan con el 'bus driver' es diferente a la 'secretaria de Buffett' ya que Reagan se referia al income tax y Obama mezcla el income tax (secretaria) con el capital gains tax (Buffett). Eso es demagogia de Obama.

Y la gran diferencia es que en el 1985 la economia estaba muy buena. Hoy en dia hasta el mismo Obama dijo que uno no sube los taxes durante recesion:

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aufAtuTwKlE"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aufAtuTwKlE[/url]

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