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charlie319

Boon Or Bane; Mitt Romney's Bain Capital Record Of "vulture Capitalism"

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[left][url="http://moneyland.time.com/2012/01/10/mitt-romney-successful-ceo-or-predatory-corporate-mugger/"][b][size=5][color=#ff0000]Mitt Romney: Successful CEO or ‘Predatory Corporate Mugger’?[/color][/size][/b][/url][/left][left]GOP Rivals Hammer Frontrunner's Private Equity Past at Bain Capital [/left][left]By [u][color="#0000ff"]Sam Gustin[/color][/u] | January 10, 2012 [/left][left]Republican presidential front-runner Mitt Romney has made his private sector experience a central part of his argument on the campaign trail. [u]The former CEO of Bain Capital says his experience in "the real economy" demonstrates that he knows how to create jobs and is thus best qualified to lead the country during tough economic times[/u]. But with much of the public still seething at Wall Street for its role in the financial crisis, Romney’s experience earning millions running a private equity firm could turn out to be a liability.[/left][left]Heading into Tuesday’s New Hampshire primary, several of Romney’s GOP rivals blasted him as a Wall Street-style fatcat who left a trail of failed companies and lost jobs in his wake. The fact that Republicans are using language straight out of the Occupy Wall Street playbook — Democrats have been making this argument for months — shows how desperate Romney’s rivals are to wound him.[/left][left][b]Both Newt Gingrich and Rick Perry have seized on media reports detailing Romney’s record as co-founder and CEO of Bain Capital, where he worked from 1984 to 1999[/b]. [u]Romney’s tenure running the company coincided with the growth of the private equity industry and the emergence of a new type of popular villain: the ruthless corporate raider as exemplified by Gordon Gekko in "Wall Street[/u]." Private equity firms like Bain identify under-performing or struggling companies and use investors’ capital or borrowed money to acquire an ownership stake. Romney and his colleagues sought to apply management principles to cut costs and streamline operations in order to unlock value and make money for themselves and their investors.[/left][left][b]Romney was an extremely successful private equity CEO, delivering $2.5 billion to Bain investors who had invested $1.1 billion, according to a survey of 77 deals under Romney’s tenure by [i]The Wall Street Journal[/i]. Along the way, Romney built a personal fortune of as much as $250 million. But several of Bain’s investments went sour and led to significant job losses or bankruptcies at the target companies. In one example cited by [i]Reuters[/i], Bain acquired a majority stake in a struggling Kansas City steel mill. Although Bain made at least $12 million by merging the mill with another facility in South Carolina, the end result for the workers was bleak[/b].[/left][left][color=#ff0000][b]Less than a decade later, the mill was padlocked and some 750 people lost their jobs[/b][/color]. [u]Workers were denied the severance pay and health insurance they’d been promised, and their pension benefits were cut by as much as $400 a month.[/u][/left][left][b]What’s more, a federal government insurance agency had to pony up $44 million to bail out the company’s underfunded pension plan. Nevertheless, Bain profited on the deal, receiving $12 million on its $8 million initial investment and at least $4.5 million in consulting fees[/b].[/left][left]Campaigning in New Hampshire over the weekend, Gingrich blasted Romney as a corporate vulture more interested in extracting value for himself and his investors than building great businesses. "[u]Those of us who believe in free markets and those of us who believe that, in fact, the whole goal of investment is entrepreneurship and job creation, [b]would find it pretty hard to justify [color=#ff0000]rich people figuring out clever, legal ways to loot out a company[/color][/b][/u]," Gingrich told reporters, in comments cited by [i]Bloomberg[/i].[/left][left][b]The attack presages a campaign ad set to air in South Carolina, the next primary state after New Hampshire, funded by wealthy Gingrich supporter and Las Vegas casino magnate Sheldon Adelson, in which [u]Romney is portrayed as a Gordon Gekko-style corporate raider[/u]. The video is scathing, declaring Romney "more ruthless than Wall Street," and accuses him of "a pattern exploiting dozens of businesses."[/b][/left][left]Rick Tyler, a former Gingrich aide who is now advising the political action committee running the ad, "Winning Our Future," piled on to Romney. "[u]Mitt Romney is not a capitalist," Tyler said in comments cited by [i]Bloomberg[/i]. "He is a predatory corporate mugger. If you ever wonder why so many manufacturing jobs are overseas, you need to look no further than Mitt Romney. He can claim thousands of jobs created, only those jobs were created in Mexico and Southeast Asia."[/u][/left][left]For his part, Romney has pointed to successful Bain investments under his watch, such as Staples, Domino’s Pizza and Sports Authority, each of which grew and added workers. Romney has acknowledged that some of Bain’s targets failed, but maintains that the firm’s investments led to a net increase of 100,000 new jobs. That claim is contested, however, in part because neither Romney nor Bain will release the number of layoffs at Bain investments. FactCheck.org looked at Romney’s 100,000 jobs-created claim and found it to be "unproven" and "highly debatable." [/left]


Bajo Romney podemos esperar empleos de Staples (dependientes de tienda) y Domino's Pizza (alicate de restaurante de comida chatarra).... Con esas propuestas es que pretende ganar????

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El trabajo de un CEO no es crear empleos, es crear riqueza para sus accionistas.


Eso de crear (o mantener) empleos que no hacen falta hay que dejarselo al socialismo de gobierno que no les importa como botan el dinero del pueblo. Si en la consolidacion se eliminaron 750 plazas, que tu quieres que se haga, que se les mantenga un salario y los pongan a recoger los clavos del piso? Como tu le justificas eso a la junta de directores?

Lo que hizo Romney en la empresa privada es exactamente lo que quiero que haga cuando sea presidente: consolide funciones y drasticamente reduzca los gastos de gobierno.

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[quote name='Artaguito' timestamp='1326204713' post='2944803']
El trabajo de un CEO no es crear empleos, es crear riqueza para sus accionistas.


Eso de crear (o mantener) empleos que no hacen falta hay que dejarselo al socialismo de gobierno que no les importa como botan el dinero del pueblo. Si en la consolidacion se eliminaron 750 plazas, que tu quieres que se haga, que se les mantenga un salario y los pongan a recoger los clavos del piso? Como tu le justificas eso a la junta de directores?

Lo que hizo Romney en la empresa privada es exactamente lo que quiero que haga cuando sea presidente: consolide funciones y drasticamente reduzca los gastos de gobierno.
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Por eso mismo es que Romney no va a ganar la presidencia , ese kbron es otro corporativista que viene a hacer rico a sus amigos y no viene a resolver el desempleo y la quiebra de EEUU...QUE SE VAYA AL CARAJO!!!....En EEUU hace falta un verdadero presidente que se preocupe por su pueblo y su pais , no otro HP como Romney , ya esos han jodido a EEUU y al planeta desde las corporaciones y Wall Street!!!....Fuck him!!!!

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[quote name='Artaguito' timestamp='1326204713' post='2944803']
El trabajo de un CEO no es crear empleos, es crear riqueza para sus accionistas.


Eso de crear (o mantener) empleos que no hacen falta hay que dejarselo al socialismo de gobierno que no les importa como botan el dinero del pueblo. Si en la consolidacion se eliminaron 750 plazas, que tu quieres que se haga, que se les mantenga un salario y los pongan a recoger los clavos del piso? Como tu le justificas eso a la junta de directores?

Lo que hizo Romney en la empresa privada es exactamente lo que quiero que haga cuando sea presidente: consolide funciones y drasticamente reduzca los gastos de gobierno.
[/quote]


Todo depende pues Robbo-Mitt se esta dando golpes de pecho de que el creo empleos en su paso por Bain... y parece que es mas mentiroso que Clinton Y Nixon juntos.

Alabate ganso que manana te guisan... Veremos lo que hace con la industria aerea con el chorrete de pilotos que se van a quedar sin rabajo con el fin de la guerra de Afghanistan e Iraq... y que saldran mas baratos que los pilotos experimentados y con permanencia (seniority) que actualmente vuelan...

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Lamentablemente muchos republicanos piensan con el fundillo, entre todos no hay un candidato que valga la pena. Pero los republicanos no estan pensando quien es bueno para la nacion....estan pensando quien puede tumbar a Obama asi joda mas al pais. Y el unico que tiene la[b] minima[/b] posibilidad es Mitt.....por eso estan los fanaticos como idiotas detras de el....:whistle:

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Aqui un anuncio de Newt en contra de Mitt en relacion a Bain.......interesante....jejejejeje

[YouTube]http://youtu.be/nMN7yWz_Qfo[/YouTube]

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Mitt es el candidato que anhela Obama... Paul representa una contienda mas complicada para in candidato que ya esta comprando votos con el dinero del pueblo.

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Aqui el gran problema es que Obama es otro ciervo de las corporaciones , los banqueros , los petroleros y Wall Street....el tipo tambien les vendio el alma a esos ladrones !!!...y casi todos los politicos democratas son otros corruptos!!!

El planeta ni EEUU aguanta otros 4 años de dominio corporativo desregulado de parte de algun gobierno!!!...el unico tipo que puede resolver el asunto es Ron Paul , pero obviamente tiene a todos los corporativistas en contra que son los que gobiernan al planeta y tienen el poder economico de poner presidentes$$$$ y quitarlos tambien!!!!

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Ya veo que Chemo y Charlie estan alineados como 'Default Obama Voters'.


Mima:[color=#ff0000][i][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Pero los republicanos no estan pensando quien es bueno para la nacion....estan pensando quien puede tumbar a Obama asi joda mas al pais. Y el unico que tiene la[/font][b] minima[/b][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif] posibilidad es Mitt.....por eso estan los fanaticos como idiotas detras de el.[/font][/i][/color]

Dos puntos:
1. A menos que Hugo Chavez salga electo presidente de EEUU, el pais no se puede joder mas de lo que esta con Obama como presidente.
2. Aunque mi candidato seria Ron Paul (aparte de su desastroza politica exterior), los republicanos estamos colocando nuestro conservatismo en el 'back burner' para desmontar a Obama. El viejito Ron Paul como el nominado del GOP es un hecho que Obama es reelecto.
3. Muchos de los que dicen ahora que son Paulistas en verdad son liberales que les cae mal Obama, por aqui hay par de ellos.


Chemo: [color=#ff0000][i][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]El planeta ni EEUU aguanta otros 4 años de dominio corporativo desregulado de parte de algun gobierno!!![/font][/i][/color]

Eso, de una de las industrias mas reguladas en el planeta. Como dije, 'Default Obama Voters'.


Charlie: [color=#ff0000][i][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Alabate ganso que manana te guisan... Veremos lo que hace con la industria aerea con el chorrete de pilotos que se van a quedar sin rabajo con el fin de la guerra de Afghanistan e Iraq... y que saldran mas baratos que los pilotos experimentados y con permanencia (seniority) que actualmente vuelan... [/font][/i][/color]

[b]Charlie, I have read very weak barbs before in Cafe Boricua before I read this one. This one by far is the weakest and the most uninformed. Please educate yourself about my industry before your next attempt.[/b]
1. There will be no RIF after Iraq/Afghanistan. Many pilots serving in the war are reservists augmenting active duty that already fly commercially. I got a buddy in FedEx that just returned from 6-month rotation flying C-130s in Afghanistan.
2. The size of the military aircrew force is minuscule compared to past ends of wars.
3. Seniority-based employment in our airlines prevent younger pilots from taking jobs from other pilots. Since the 'merit-based' is established during the hiring and bi-annual checkrides (if you don't make the grade you lose your job), then the other way to determine ranking is date-of-hire (seniority).

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Caiste en la trampa... Eso es porque trabajas en un ambito altamente regulado y unionado. Algo que le niegas al resto de los trabajadores.

Speak of weak barbs... Liberales???? Querras decir que no somos fascistas de camisa negra como otros que usan camuflaje de dis-que-conservador.

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[quote name='charlie319' timestamp='1326284008' post='2944827']
Caiste en la trampa... Eso es porque trabajas en un ambito altamente regulado y unionado. Algo que le niegas al resto de los trabajadores.

Speak of weak barbs... Liberales???? Querras decir que no somos fascistas de camisa negra como otros que usan camuflaje de dis-que-conservador.
[/quote]



FedEx tenia el seniority system antes que se sindicalizara. Las lineas aereas que no tienen union tambien usan el sistema de seniority.

Si vas a poner una trampa asegurate primero que funciona.


[color=#ff0000][i] Querras decir que no somos fascistas de camisa negra como otros que usan camuflaje de dis-que-conservador.[/i][/color]

Y de nuevo te pregunto, tu estas seguro que no estas canalizando a Napoleon? Tu retorica desde que el desaparecio hace unas semanas es identica a la de el.

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[color=#ff0000][i][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Aqui el gran problema es que Obama es otro ciervo de las corporaciones , los banqueros , los petroleros y Wall Street....el tipo tambien les vendio el alma a esos ladrones !!!...y casi todos los politicos democratas son otros corruptos!!![/font][/i][/color]

Traduccion:[i] Obama nos traiciono al no imponerle su socialismo al pueblo y a la industria.[/i]

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jajajajajajaja que mente cerrada.....si Mitt Romney es otro liberal y socialista. Pero claro algunos aqui ven lo que les conviene. :WAL:

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[quote name='Artaguito' timestamp='1326284812' post='2944828']



FedEx tenia el seniority system antes que se sindicalizara. Las lineas aereas que no tienen union tambien usan el sistema de seniority.

Si vas a poner una trampa asegurate primero que funciona.


[color=#ff0000][i]Querras decir que no somos fascistas de camisa negra como otros que usan camuflaje de dis-que-conservador.[/i][/color]

Y de nuevo te pregunto, tu estas seguro que no estas canalizando a Napoleon? Tu retorica desde que el desaparecio hace unas semanas es identica a la de el.
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Ja, ja, ja, ja, ja... Otro patetico intento de insultar... Napo y yo tenemos estilos muy diferentes... El, por ejemplo, te acusa de estar atacando a las uniones de cuya ubre tu mismo te beneficias... Pero dudo que se tomara el tiempo de zumbarte este dato de tu supuestamtne dadivoso patrono:
[url="https://crewroom.alpa.org/fdx/DesktopModules/ViewDocument.aspx?DocumentID=19085"]https://crewroom.alpa.org/fdx/DesktopModules/ViewDocument.aspx?DocumentID=19085[/url]

Entre cuyas perlitas esta:
[left][b][font="Bookman Old Style,Bookman Old Style"][size="3"][font="Bookman Old Style,Bookman Old Style"][size="3"]1985 [/size][/font][/size][/font][/b][/left] [left][font="Bookman Old Style,Bookman Old Style"][size="3"][font="Bookman Old Style,Bookman Old Style"][size="3"][u]Volunteer and reverse seniority pay are removed from the pay comparisons; however, pay scales of airlines in bankruptcy are [b]added [/b]to the pay comparisons[/u]. Pay grouping is again proposed, at lowest position versus highest position. Senior management states that training costs are extreme. FAB and some flight management counter with a Freeze and Passover Program. Management accepts, [u]but when the chief pilot asks for a realignment of new hire pay, the FAB agrees to a modified "B" scale with parity at four (4) years. [/u][/size][/font][/size][/font][/left] [left][font="Bookman Old Style,Bookman Old Style"][size="3"][font="Bookman Old Style,Bookman Old Style"][size="3"]International small package service begins to Europe, using B-727s in three-leg flights across the Atlantic. Duty time parameters adjusted for international flights: 1+30 show time and 1+00 after block-in. [/size][/font][/size][/font][/left] [left][font="Bookman Old Style,Bookman Old Style"][size="3"][font="Bookman Old Style,Bookman Old Style"][size="3"][u]Personnel department staff attempt to ram a change through the FCH revision process,which redefines the word "trip." Under this definition, a trip would be able to cycle through a pilot’s domicile without ending, while keeping the pilot on Minimum Pay per Duty Period (MPDP)[/u]. [/size][/font][/size][/font][/left] [left][font="Bookman Old Style,Bookman Old Style"][size="3"][font="Bookman Old Style,Bookman Old Style"][size="3"]Employee Stock Ownership Plan (ESOP) and TIP (401-K) programs start. FAB complains that the Deferred Profit Sharing Program has not been funded with cash since 1983. [b]Consequently, everyone involved has lost a substantial amount of retirement monies through the loss of compounding, which was an integral part of management’s original retirement promise[/b]. [/size][/font][/size][/font][/left] [left][font="Bookman Old Style,Bookman Old Style"][size="3"][font="Bookman Old Style,Bookman Old Style"][size="3"]Pilots (over the age of 60) begin flying as second officers, but no longevity is given for pension purposes, even though they have not reached 25 years of service. [/size][/font][/size][/font][/left] [left][font="Bookman Old Style,Bookman Old Style"][size="3"][font="Bookman Old Style,Bookman Old Style"][size="3"]Pilots begin to receive reimbursement for moving expenses. [/size][/font][/size][/font][/left]

Hay mas, pero prefiero que se tomen el tiempo de leerlo y alcanzar sus propias conclusiones de que si Artaguito esta deslindado de la realidad o sencilalmente miente como politico tras votos?

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Y como si eso fuera poco:

[url="http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2011/07/air-force-commercial-pilot-market-boom-072211w/"]http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2011/07/air-force-commercial-pilot-market-boom-072211w/[/url]

[b] Commercial pilot job market ready for a boom[/b]

Airlines expected to need more than 466,000 by 2029
By [email="dlarter@atpco.com?subject=Question%20from%20AirForceTimes.com%20reader"]David Larter[/email] - Staff writer
Posted : Friday Jul 22, 2011 12:16:54 EDT

Pilots coming up on a career decision will face a rosy job market because hiring at commercial airliners is set to take off big time.
After nearly a four-year drought of openings, airlines are predicting they will hire more pilots in the next decade than they ever have. [u]Aircraft maker Boeing forecasts a need for 466,650 more commercial pilots by 2029 — an average of 23,300 a year. About 186,000 of the new hires — nearly 40 percent — will fly in the burgeoning Asia-Pacific region, according to Boeing, but more than 97,000 will have routes in North America.[/u]
“It is a dramatic turnaround,” said Louis Smith, president of FltOps.com, a website that provides career and financial planning for pilots. “Pilot hiring was severely depressed in the last three years. The next 10 years will be the exact opposite, with the longest and largest pilot hiring boom in the history of the industry.”
The demand for pilots will be so great that the industry could ultimately face a shortage, sparking fierce competition among airlines across the globe vying for candidates qualified to fill their cockpits.
“We’re already seeing in some spots around the world a shortage of pilots … and if you were watching this a few years ago at the last peak, you had airlines stealing from other airlines,” said Sherry Carbary, vice president of flight services for Boeing Commercial Airplanes in Seattle. “[color=#ff0000][b]It’s a global marketplace for pilots, and … we’ll not have enough if that growth trend continues over the next few years. That’s something the industry needs to come to grips with. Where is our pipeline of new pilots going to come from, and how are we going to finance them[/b][/color]?” [color=#0000ff](Preparate para la "globalizacion" de tu oficio)[/color]
[b] Making the grade[/b]

The hiring surge is being fueled by several factors:
• The rapid growth of travel in Asia, which is on track to surpass North America as the largest air travel market in the world;
• A looming wave of pilot retirements in the U.S.;
• Proposed changes to rules that could increase the time pilots must train, rest and work;
• Increasing demand for air travel within the U.S. as the economy improves.
U.S. carriers had 4.9 percent more pilots in 2010 than 2009, with much of the increase fueled by low-cost carriers that are continuing to expand, according to the U.S. Department of Transportation’s Bureau of Transportation Statistics.
Low-cost airlines such as Southwest, Virgin America and AirTran increased their pilot staffing 11.2 percent in 2010 over 2009, while regional carriers increased their pilot numbers by 4.9 percent. Major network airlines, however, saw their pilot workforce drop 1.3 percent last year, according to the bureau.
The cost of the fuel has spooked a few carriers,” Smith said, noting that the massive earthquake and tsunami in Japan have also had some impact. But, he said, the industrywide hiring explosion is “still on track.”
[b] A perennial source for many airlines is the military.[/b]

About 45 percent of the 6,100 pilots at Southwest Airlines are veterans or reservists, many of whom are former airmen, according to Rocky Calkins, a former F-15 pilot who now is Southwest’s pilot hiring manager. Of the 600-plus pilots at Frontier Airlines, about 35 percent are veterans, said operations director Jim Colburn.
Despite the high percentage of military aviators at Southwest, Calkins said he has seen the number coming from the Air Force drop because many airmen simply can’t meet the minimum pilot-in-command hours needed to land the job. Southwest requires its pilots to have 1,000 flying hours.
Some Air Force pilots are getting 800 flying hours before they get transferred to fly unmanned vehicles, Calkins said.
“It’s very hard for guys to meet that 1,000-hour mark in one tour,” he said.
For the pilots who do have enough time under their belts, their military service is a huge benefit with Southwest, Calkins said. Airmen have college degrees that are “hugely desired” and years of solid leadership experience that bodes well for them moving from co-pilot to pilot.
[b] Real money — eventually[/b]

A commercial pilot’s pay is different from an Air Force pilot’s pay.
At Frontier, Colburn said, an entry-level flier starts at about $37.50 per hour. Most, though, do not work regular 40-hour weeks in the beginning. They are guaranteed to be paid at least 75 hours a month, Colburn said, but they are not guaranteed they will be flying that same amount of time. When Colburn started flying, for example, he spent 80 hours in the air one month and 23 hours flying the next month.
The pay scale also varies from platform to platform and from airline to airline, but most Air Force pilots earn less when they take a commercial job.
[b]The average starting salary for a pilot at a small regional carrier, where most pilots get their start, is roughly $21,000 a year. The most senior captain, flying the largest plane at a major airline, typically makes more than $186,000 a year, according to FltOps.com.[/b]
Even though the civilian pilot hiring picture is perking up, the Air Force isn’t overly concerned.
The Air Force is having no problem retaining airmen right now. High retention, in fact, is driving tough force-trimming programs, said spokesman Maj. Joel Harper. Retention for fighter pilots with more than 17 years of rated service is the highest since 2004 and second-highest in the last 20 years.
But if there’s competition for its pilots, the Air Force is ready to sweeten the pot, Harper said.
There’s the “natural call to serve” among Air Force pilots, Harper said, and cold hard cash — bonuses of up to $25,000 for qualified aviators.
[i]Reporter Charisse Jones of USA Today contributed to this story.[/i]

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Charlie, ahora estoy convencido que eres Napoleon encarnado y no el Charlie de antes. Lo que pones me beneficia a mi, el crecimiendo de la industria y la necesidad de mas pilotos me da mas seguridad de empleo.

Pero como buen 'Defecator' que te has convertido dices: [color=#0000FF][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif](Preparate para la "globalizacion" de tu oficio)[/font][/color]

Charlie (o quien quiera este en control), ya mi industria esta globalizada!

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[quote name='Artaguito' timestamp='1326246247' post='2944817']
Ya veo que Chemo y Charlie estan alineados como 'Default Obama Voters'.


Chemo: [color=#ff0000][i][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]El planeta ni EEUU aguanta otros 4 años de dominio corporativo desregulado de parte de algun gobierno!!![/font][/i][/color]

[size=6]Eso, de una de las industrias mas reguladas en el planeta[/size]. Como dije, 'Default Obama Voters'.
[/quote]


Ante la quiebra economica de EEUU tanto Charlie como yo nos hemos dado a la tarea de mirar mas alla de el chiji chija de los fanaticos politicos como tu y hemos identificado que ambos partidos politicos son sumamente corruptos y ambos partidos politicos trabajan en pro de la mafia MUNDIAL que se esta comiendo al planeta en pro de un pequeño grupo de trillonarios que son los que verdaderamente controlan al planeta....mientras tu como buen bobolon partidista te mantienes alabando a quienes le hacen una rosca en el trasero a la humanidad!!!


[u]En favor de quien[/u] las corporaciones estan reguladas segun tu???....Tu crees que los tratados de libre comercio benefician al trabajador americano???

Vamos nene deleitanos con otra explicacion Salomonica!!!!....jjajajjajaajajajjajaajajajajajajajajajajajaja

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[quote name='Chemo' timestamp='1326292587' post='2944843']


Ante la quiebra economica de EEUU tanto Charlie como yo nos hemos dado a la tarea de mirar mas alla de el chiji chija de los fanaticos politicos como tu y hemos identificado que ambos partidos politicos son sumamente corruptos y ambos partidos politicos trabajan en pro de la mafia MUNDIAL que se esta comiendo al planeta en pro de un pequeño grupo de trillonarios que son los que verdaderamente controlan al planeta....mientras tu como buen bobolon partidista te mantienes alabando a quienes le hacen una rosca en el trasero a la humanidad!!!


[u]En favor de quien[/u] las corporaciones estan reguladas segun tu???....Tu crees que los tratados de libre comercio benefician al trabajador americano???

Vamos nene deleitanos con otra explicacion Salomonica!!!!....jjajajjajaajajajjajaajajajajajajajajajajajaja
[/quote]


[b]Well said, Mr. Lenin! Te falto usar palabras como "burguesia", y frases como "lucha de clases" para completar la ideologia Chemo.[/b]

Te invito a que te eduques en este website para que aprendas mas:

[url="http://www.claridadpuertorico.com/"]http://www.claridadpuertorico.com/[/url]

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[quote name='Artaguito' timestamp='1326292726' post='2944844']


[b]Well said, Mr. Lenin![/b]
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EEUU esta en quiebra y esa es tu respuesta???......jajajajajajajajaajajajajaajaaaaaaaa

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[quote name='Artaguito' timestamp='1326291468' post='2944839']
Charlie, ahora estoy convencido que eres Napoleon encarnado y no el Charlie de antes. Lo que pones me beneficia a mi, el crecimiendo de la industria y la necesidad de mas pilotos me da mas seguridad de empleo.

Pero como buen 'Defecator' que te has convertido dices: [color=#0000ff][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif](Preparate para la "globalizacion" de tu oficio)[/font][/color]

Charlie (o quien quiera este en control), ya mi industria esta globalizada!
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No como lo esta la ingenieria... Cuando eso pase, a duras penas estaras ganando $20.00 la hora... Mientras tu copiloto del dia, Apoo de Mumbai gana lo mismo que tu.

Eso de "defecator" ha de ser por la ducha de heces que te ha caido por tus posturas politicas dignas de un Aznar o Franco. Edited by charlie319

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